Nurishment

bhavv said:
Yea I think Taurine and is also found in a lot of protein shakes? Creatine can also lead to increased aggression.
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I think you need to define what you mean here - you appear to be lumping energy drinks (many of which will contain some taurine e.g. Red Bull and similar) in with protein shakes, the vast majority of which will be based on whey protein and have nothing else added apart from some flavourings. Perhaps it is a confusion around naming since you quite obviously have no real interest in the area but it's undermining your argument to constantly mix up different products.
 
bhavv said:
If you experienced a full force kick to the face from a skinny karate expert, you may probably rethink that.
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What?

So are you saying this karate expert has stronger legs than someone who can deliver weaker kicks?

Best get all martial artists into Worlds Strongest Man or a powerlifting competition...
 
bhavv said:
I never stated it was true. I stated it may be a possibility.
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You said that creatine CAN lead to increased aggression. Those words mean that it is a fact that it can, not that it might be possible that it's true. I find arguing with you intolerably annoying.
 
icecold said:
Best get all martial artists into Worlds Strongest Man or a powerlifting competition...
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Oh right, I didnt consider weight lifting. Big muscles are definitely needed there, but therein also lies my point, why bother with building muscle / drinking protein shakes if you arent body building / weight training?

In the area of other sports, karate being my example, more muscle / body mass makes you less effective. Running would be another one.

Zefan said:
You said that creatine CAN lead to increased aggression. Those words mean that it is a fact that it can, not that it might be possible that it's true. I find arguing with you intolerably annoying.
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Sorry that was my fault for a poor choice of words, I should have said could. You know you dont have to argue with me if you dont want to.
 
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bhavv said:
Oh right, I didnt consider weight lifting. Big muscles are definitely needed there, but therein also lies my point, why bother with building muscle / drinking protein shakes if you arent body building / weight training?
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Because athletes (who aren't bodybuilders) of any level from any sport can benefit from strength training. This is a large group of people, contrary to your original point.
 
icecold said:
Because athletes (who aren't bodybuilders) of any level from any sport can benefit from strength training. This is a large group of people, contrary to your original point.
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Ok, but do they need to rely on protein drinks for that, or can normal dietary protein suffice?
 
bhavv said:
Ok, but do they need to rely on protein drinks for that, or can normal dietary protein suffice?
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No they don't need to, but it's the cheapest and often most convenient way. There's also a lot of talk about absorption speed etc but I don't know much about that.
 
Morba said it isnt the cheapest way:

Morba said:
The only thing protein shakes has over normal food is price and convenience. Except price doesn't count here as its a can of pre-made drink which is never cheap!
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I agree with the convenience though. I would rather rely on dietary intake of protein than ever consume a shake.
 
bhavv said:
Oh right, I didnt consider weight lifting. Big muscles are definitely needed there, but therein also lies my point, why bother with building muscle / drinking protein shakes if you arent body building / weight training?
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There are many sports which use excessive amounts of calories, and proteins are extremely important. So anyone that performs such sports or activities can only benefit from it.

A swimmer such as Phelps uses what? Over 10,000 calories a day? Chances are he supplements his nutrition. Many athletes and people that just enjoy many outdoors and sports activities benefit from them.

Then there are medical reasons.

For instance my mother can't really eat much meat of fish without suffering from severe stomach cramps. She can easily take pea,rice, help and soy protein powders though. Even Whey without similar problems.

My sister took creatine and whey when competing in National level athletics in South Africa. Never suffered any Aggression due to creatine either.

Bhavv, as stated before. Please educate yourself on this topic.
 
bhavv said:
Morba said it isnt the cheapest way:
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Do you have trouble understanding words or something?

He says that it IS the cheapest way. He says price doesn't count in this scenario because it's a pre-made drink anyway which are always hypermegauber expensive.
 
N19h7m4r3 said:
There are many sports which use excessive amounts of calories, and proteins are extremely important. So anyone that performs such sports or activities can only benefit from it.
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But other people have said the only thing that protein shakes offer over normal food is convenience.

Zefan said:
Do you have trouble understanding words or something?

He says that it IS the cheapest way. He says price doesn't count in this scenario because it's a pre-made drink anyway which are always hypermegauber expensive.
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Oh ok then. How much is the cheapest yet palatable whey powder?

This is cheap enough for me to not have to consider protein powders, and it is tasty too:

http://groceries.asda.com/asda-esto...ng&pageConfiguration=10000001&lastLogDetails=
 
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bhavv said:
Morba said it isnt the cheapest way:



I agree with the convenience though. I would rather rely on dietary intake of protein than ever consume a shake.
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I'd it wasn't the cheapest way in reference to a can of nurishment, surely that was obvious??
 
icecold said:
I think this is the issue, but why continue to assert knowledge?

Just... stahp.
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I was trying to give him an out here but it seems to be unwanted.

bhavv said:
Oh right, I didnt consider weight lifting. Big muscles are definitely needed there, but therein also lies my point, why bother with building muscle / drinking protein shakes if you arent body building / weight training?

In the area of other sports, karate being my example, more muscle / body mass makes you less effective. Running would be another one.
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You're going to have to be more specific again - for sprinters the increased explosive power from their training (and consequent greater muscle mass) tends to ameliorate the disadvantage of carrying the additional weight to a large degree. Sure if you are running a marathon then you want to be at the lighter end of the scale but for short distances the trade-off happens at a point where the athlete is much more muscular and does a lot of strength training rather than quite so much focus on endurance.

It might be easier to accept that there are plenty of reasons why you might be interested in building muscle as an athlete, many of the times when strength athletes will build muscle is broadly speaking ancilliary to their actual goal to improve their performance in their chosen sport but to suggest that the only reason to build muscle is for bodybuilding or weightlifting suggests a fundamental lack of appreciation of the goals of an athlete or indeed what makes a successful athlete.
 
bhavv said:
But other people have said the only thing that protein shakes offer over normal food is convenience.



Oh ok then. How much is the cheapest yet palatable whey powder?
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Which includes being able to drink it. Drinking food is far easier than just eating it, and you can get far more calories in that way. There's more to it than just convenience.
 
bhavv said:
Oh ok then. How much is the cheapest yet palatable whey powder?
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The cheapest plain whey I use is £13 for 1KG of unflavoured whey. Adding water makes it taste like skimmed milk. I already provided a link in a previous post, but it seems you didn't bother to read or look it up when we were discussion ingredients.
 
Zefan said:
Mushy peas. Are you serious? Seriously?! Twice as much carbs as there is protein in that. What are you smoking dude?
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Carbohydrate 14.0g
of which sugars 1.7g

Carbohydrates arent unhealthy, I'm not a bulimic on an atkins diet.

A balanced diet should contain 40% carbs, 30% protein, 30% fat. Mushy peas are pretty much around 60% carbs, 40% protein, minus a little for the fibre and tiny fat content.

They are very healthy, I tend to eat a can of mushy peas, sweetcorn, or normal peas every other day. The latter two can be bought with trace salt / sodium as well, and also I like those microwave steamfresh veg tubs you can buy with brocolli, peas and carrots. They are very convenient and fast to heat up and eat.

Morba said:
I'd it wasn't the cheapest way in reference to a can of nurishment, surely that was obvious??
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Yea apologies for that, I selectively read the second half of your post referring to this nourishment drink only. Still I'd rather have my cheap supermarket value peas, milk, yogurt, cheese, 100% chicken and eggs instead.

Generally I have just 6 eggs a week, and 500 ml milk a day plus a muller yoghurt or two. The rest is mostly veg and / or chicken, plus the occasional frozen pizza, but also loads of cake. The cake is the best part :)
 
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