United States Grand Prix 2012, Austin - Race 19/20

If they need to they should, if they want to artificially raise Alonso, its a risky game. I said earlier Massa is a good starter and ahead so has a better chance of diving into the first corner ahead of maybe even Webber, if he can back them all up into Alonso thats great.... but he also might end up getting stuck and being in the wrong place and being in Alonso's way. Ultimately Ferrari can't win the constructors, Red Bull aren't going to dnf 4 cars in 2 races, Massa finishing isn't important, Massa holding up people upfront and helping Alonso is, he'll most likely only really factor in for the first stint.

Next year.... there really is a limit to where you can develop the car, without many major changes where will Red Bull come up with new idea's(and will they infact lose stuff like the flexi wing) while with fairly few rule changes at this point, Mclaren, Ferrari, Lotus and Merc can all basically copy most of Red bull's most important idea's for next year. I'd actually not be too surprised if most of the teams close the gap to Red Bull, but the closest car(excluding reliability) is losing their only top driver, Ferrari with some of Red bull's current idea's on next years car have the driver capable. Merc, will do better by way of a better driver who qualifys better anyway, if they can improve the car, that improvement will be even better. I think Merc stand to gain the most by way of the biggest driver upgrade at any team, Mclaren stand to lose the most.
 
drunkenmaster said:
If they need to they should, if they want to artificially raise Alonso, its a risky game. I said earlier Massa is a good starter and ahead so has a better chance of diving into the first corner ahead of maybe even Webber, if he can back them all up into Alonso thats great.... but he also might end up getting stuck and being in the wrong place and being in Alonso's way. Ultimately Ferrari can't win the constructors, Red Bull aren't going to dnf 4 cars in 2 races, Massa finishing isn't important, Massa holding up people upfront and helping Alonso is, he'll most likely only really factor in for the first stint.
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I suppose a lot of that depends on whether they feel it's more advantageous to have Massa back people into Alonso for him to overtake or just to try and get Alonso ahead of as many people as possible at the start.
 
Ferrari will need to prove there is a problem with the gearbox though.

If the FIA don't accept their reason then the can enforce the perc ferme rules and have him start from the put lane and not move the rest of the grid up. ;)

There are suggestions that if Massa gets a gearbox change, Webber may suddenly have a gearbox issue and put alonso back on the wrong side. :D

Teams are currently thinking that starting on the even side of the grid will cost 2 places at the start.
 
Flibster said:
Ferrari will need to prove there is a problem with the gearbox though.
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Where does it actually say that?

I only ask out of curiosity, as I had a brief skim through the rules earlier and there was plenty of stuff about the penalties for changing and when the 5 race period starts and stops etc. etc. but I didn't see anything saying the gearbox needed a proven fault to be changed.

I guess it's in a different (non gearbox specific) section of the rules?
 
Kenai said:
Where does it actually say that?

I only ask out of curiosity, as I had a brief skim through the rules earlier and there was plenty of stuff about the penalties for changing and when the 5 race period starts and stops etc. etc. but I didn't see anything saying the gearbox needed a proven fault to be changed.

I guess it's in a different (non gearbox specific) section of the rules?
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Parc ferme regs. To change a part, you have to prove a fault and get permission from the fia.
 
Flibster said:
Parc ferme regs. To change a part, you have to prove a fault and get permission from the fia.
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I can't see where it says there must be a fault, what it does say is
Any work not listed above may only be undertaken with the approval of the FIA technical delegate following a written request from the team concerned. It must be clear that any replacement part a team wishes to fit is similar in mass, inertia and function to the original. Any parts removed will be retained by the FIA.
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So i don't think Parc Ferme comes into it.
 
Flibster said:
Parc ferme regs. To change a part, you have to prove a fault and get permission from the fia.
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Hmmm... I can see where it says you need permission but not that you need to prove a fault. However I suppose this would be academic if the technical delegate would only give approval in the event of a fault :p

Any work not listed above may only be undertaken with the approval of the FIA technical delegate following a written request from the team concerned. It must be clear that any replacement part a team wishes to fit is similar in mass, inertia and function to the original. Any parts removed will be retained by the FIA.
However, if a team wishes to change a part during the qualifying session and/or on the grid before the start of the race, this may be done without first seeking the permission of the technical delegate, provided it is reasonable for the relevant team to believe permission would be given if there was time to ask and the broken or damaged part remains in full view of the scrutineer assigned to the car at all times.
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Flibster said:
Parc ferme regs. To change a part, you have to prove a fault and get permission from the fia.
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That's to change parts without penalty though isn't it, you can change a whole mess of crap under parc ferme without being penalised if you can show its failed/failing, just gearbox isn't one of them and gets a 5 grid penalty no matter what.
 
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