Diet Food Programme

I do love a good diet thread that spent some time in GD, some great lols to be had.


A brief moment of actually helping the OP before I amuse myself.

Craig1981 said:
Thanks all for the advice. I'm still leaning towards the slimfast diet, at least in the short term. But I'm going to speak to the doctor before I commit to anything in case he tells me I need to try something else instead.
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You are FAR better off learning some basics about nutrition (there are resources on this forum!) and dealing with it on your own. These "diet clubs" help some people lose weight, but they don't permanently change the way you eat so you're likely to end up putting weight back on.

Cut ALL sugary crap out of your diet (yes, man up, you aren't a child) and spend a week recording all of your food intake.



PapaLazaru said:
Salad.

But seriously, it is not that hard to work out a balanced diet which is relatively low in fat. Just cut out the crap like cheese and beer and too much bread.

Just work out a plan for the week and stick to it.

Why not just try the 3% or less fat diet?
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The first response is advising a low fat diet, fantastic!

delta0 said:
Don't skip meals you will cause muscle loss. Muscles burn fat.
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Slightly more interesting at least.

I've not had breakfast for around a year and sometimes I don't eat until 4pm, why aren't I wasting away?

delta0 said:
Fasting is not a long term solution. Returns will diminish and you will feel awful. Losing the muscle and screwing up you insulin levels are not the way to do it heathly.
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Why isn't fasting a long term solution?!

Addressing the reasons in this post:
- a proper fasting protocol does not result in significant (as in significantly over baseline) muscle loss
- fasting does the exact opposite of screwing up your insulin levels, so I don't know where you got that from. Fasting is a simple way of re-establishing a functional insulin response, and also helps train your body to burn fat more effectively. It isn't the only way of doing these things, but it is certainly one very legitimate way.
 
icecold said:
I do love a good diet thread that spent some time in GD, some great lols to be had.


A brief moment of actually helping the OP before I amuse myself.


You are FAR better off learning some basics about nutrition (there are resources on this forum!) and dealing with it on your own. These "diet clubs" help some people lose weight, but they don't permanently change the way you eat so you're likely to end up putting weight back on.

Cut ALL sugary crap out of your diet (yes, man up, you aren't a child) and spend a week recording all of your food intake.




The first response is advising a low fat diet, fantastic!


Slightly more interesting at least.

I've not had breakfast for around a year and sometimes I don't eat until 4pm, why aren't I wasting away?


Why isn't fasting a long term solution?!

Addressing the reasons in this post:
- a proper fasting protocol does not result in significant (as in significantly over baseline) muscle loss
- fasting does the exact opposite of screwing up your insulin levels, so I don't know where you got that from. Fasting is a simple way of re-establishing a functional insulin response, and also helps train your body to burn fat more effectively. It isn't the only way of doing these things, but it is certainly one very legitimate way.
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I would take it up with your GP. He/she will be able to explain in detail exactly why it is bad for you.
 
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Skipping a meal is not fasting. It is likely to make you binge though or eat too much in one meal. Fasting causes the body to digest the muscle if it is too long. It puts the body in starvation mode, it makes it crave food and it is very reluctant to use the fat unless it has to. Why would you make yourself feel awful when it is so much easier to just control the diet and exercise. Then you avoid muscle loss, avoid craving and have lots of energy (rather than feeling like you have lots of energy which some claim you get from fasting and when they actually exert themselves they pass out, i've seen it).
 
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Can I suggest getting a Ki Fit http://www.kiperformance.co.uk/ although probably not tested on your BMI. It will give you a great indication of how many calories you actually burn, rather than a guess. It'll also show more than likely how little work you do during the day.

Now I've never got on with high carb eating, other than stuffing my face constantly. I also wouldn't worry about when you eat. Do what suits you. For some that's 6 meals a day, others 3, I find 2 meals and 1 snack.

Have a look at primal/paleo. High protein retaibely low far, eat to much fat you more than liekly get diahorrea. IMO these life styles work best with game meat which has lower fat content tobegin with. It does stop the physical cravings dead. You'll still have the mental cravings.

Walking is a good exercise to begin with. Get some headphones and rather than going to the corner shops. Walk (depending how far you can currently go) to a supermarket ~2 miles away most days to by your daily food.

Off course do you own reserch, but I've come to the conclusion modern nutritional health is a load of BS and is. Damaging for many people.
The annoying thing is there's not much real clinical reserch to fall back on, but those I have read do not support government pushed health advice.
Just need to separate statistical advice from clinical trials.


Also diet is the wrong mind set, you need a life style change and unless you change the lifestyle then you are more than likely will put it back on.

And off course good luck.
 
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Fluttershy said:
Citation needed.
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Skeletal muscle function during hypocaloric diets and fasting: a comparison with standard nutritional assessment parameters. (DM Russell, LA Leiter, J Whitwell, EB Marliss, and KN Jeejeebhoy, 1983)
Autophagy is required to maintain muscle mass (E Masiero, L Agatea, C Mammucari, B Blaauw, E Loro, 2009)
Atrogin-1, a muscle-specific F-box protein highly expressed during muscle atrophy (MD Gomes, SH Lecker, RT Jagoe, 2001)
Multiple types of skeletal muscle atrophy involve a common program of changes in gene expression (SH Lecker, RT Jagoe, A Gilbert, MD Gomes, 2004)
The effect of fasting and hypocaloric diets on the functional and metabolic characteristics of rat gastrocnemius muscle. (DM Russell, HL Atwood, JS Whittaker, 1984)

As I mentioned earlier. The GP will know best because there are a lot of personal medical information they can also consider.
 
And read the research fully, as just showen above.

A 400kcal persistent diet. Is not fasting for a portion of the day and eating well the rest of it.
 
Glaucus said:
And read the research fully, as just showen above.

A 400kcal persistent diet. Is not fasting for a portion of the day and eating well the rest of it.
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Absolutely. The research does cover a range of scenarios not just the 400kcal one. However fasting is not skipping a meal.
 
Well what defines fasting then? It takes a lot more than say, 24-36 hours for muscle wastage to even think about beginning, you'd have to run out of liver glycogen and amino acids from previous meals before muscle proteins needed to be broken down to maintain blood glucose levels.
 
actually it can be. Most people describe fasting as anything over 8hrs. Most people fast when they sleep. If you then have a diet which skips breakfast, that fasting can be almost doubled. depending on your plan.

Your research does not show anything on this fasting.
And I would also say the GP is not a great place for nutritional health, who will push a high carb diet and will be shocked when people do a high protein diet and yet there levels of cholesterol and other pointers all start to fall back to very healthy levels. A nutrition with a wide knowledge base, would be a far better bet. although nutritionist is not protected name, so don't just go on that title.
 
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If fasting = muscle loss, how come half the people who lift on this forum are gaining muscle while doing things like IF?

Unless of course your research (which i can't be bothered to find and read) etc is meaning long fasts like multiple days, in which case who the hell cares? That has nothing to do with what anyone is thinking of doing or would even consider doing.
 
Fluttershy said:
If fasting = muscle loss, how come half the people who lift on this forum are gaining muscle while doing things like IF?

Unless of course your research (which i can't be bothered to find and read) etc is meaning long fasts like multiple days, in which case who the hell cares? That has nothing to do with what anyone is thinking of doing or would even consider doing.
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the research he cited, is a prolonged extreme calorie deficit diet showing muscle waste. not surprising.
 
Unfortunately the GP is not going to recommend skipping meals let alone fasting. Unless of course you are eating too many meals lol :D
 
As we are talking about meal skipping then these are more appropriate.
The addition of a protein-rich breakfast and its effects on acute appetite control and food intake in ‘breakfast-skipping’ adolescents (H J Leidy and E M Racki, 2010)
The importance of all meals (L Engler, 2008)
The acute effects of meals on cognitive performance (CR Mahoney, 2005)
Eating meals irregularly: a novel environmental risk factor for the metabolic syndrome (J Sierra-Johnson, AL Undén, M Linestrand, 2008)
 
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