The OcUK Powerlifting Totals

When you train on your own in a very "commercial" gym people stare at you like you're some sort of a monster anyway. RAWR-ing over a one rep max doesn't help.
Asking a stranger for help is one thing, but asking him to be recorded is where I wouldn't be that keen.

But that's just me I guess.
 
It depends if like me you train at the same time most days and end up knowing quite a few people in the gym. There's always someone there who can film it, and I like to think filming max lifts will catch on. I've seen a few people do it since me and Syla5 started doing it.

Nothing wrong with people thinking your a monster when you are ;)
 
Cristian said:
When you train on your own in a very "commercial" gym people stare at you like you're some sort of a monster anyway. RAWR-ing over a one rep max doesn't help.
Asking a stranger for help is one thing, but asking him to be recorded is where I wouldn't be that keen.

But that's just me I guess.
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In all fairness you are some kind of a monster... :p

I'm not on the chart but personally I'd not be all that bothered whether people have got video evidence or not of their lifts. If they really want to pretend that they're lifting YYY weight when they're nowhere close to that then good for them, it doesn't affect what I lift or how I feel about my achievements (or therein lack of them). I don't fully understand why you'd want to pretend a greater achievement, I'd have thought that it would feel completely hollow to do so but then again I've met a fair few people from here over the years so maybe it's a bit different as the chances of me successfully claiming I can deadlift 200kg+ are somewhat slim.

If people do want to make it a condition of the chart then that's absolutely fine of course but I don't really see the need.
 
The video thing comes up now and then with this, I'm still of the opinion that in general it's not needed. Hell I'm 2nd on the table and no one has ever questioned my lifts or requested vids. The only ones I've posted are from comps and been for reps.

We have found in our gym that the camera kills things. It's the curse of the camera. Rarely do we actually get a lift when being filmed lol.

If people want to prove themselves then cool, a lot of people won't want to post vids and that's cool too.
Some people will post outlandish claims, let's be honest though, there are enough people in here with enough brains to know what sounds right and what doesn't. So we know when to ask for a little proof.
Hell if some random comes in saying they pulled 300kg but only had a vid of repping 270, would we really argue? Most 'strong' people are known these days, they are on more strength orientated forums so would be spotted elsewhere or be competing in some sense.
 
Cristian said:
I guess after new years we could start from scratch and have a "2 out of 3" video rule? As in you need to have 2 of your big lifts with video evidence to keep your place in the ranking.

Why not 3? people might find it a tad difficult to find someone to record them on all 3 or they might have an injury. I mean for a deadlift you just put the camera on the floor, for a bench you'd have to find a decent spotter (hard) , make the spotter agree to being recorded (next to impossible) and a 3rd person to record. Definitely not something I would ever bother with as the pansies at my gym look at me oddly as it is now.:D
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I think starting a new list in the new year will help, and is the most fair way of sorting it out.

On balance I think I'd be for a "2 out of 3" rule, I just wouldn't want to make people feel excluded because they feel weird filming themselves or getting a random to do the filming.

That's just my vote though.

semi-pro waster said:
In all fairness you are some kind of a monster... :p

I'm not on the chart but personally I'd not be all that bothered whether people have got video evidence or not of their lifts. If they really want to pretend that they're lifting YYY weight when they're nowhere close to that then good for them, it doesn't affect what I lift or how I feel about my achievements (or therein lack of them). I don't fully understand why you'd want to pretend a greater achievement, I'd have thought that it would feel completely hollow to do so but then again I've met a fair few people from here over the years so maybe it's a bit different as the chances of me successfully claiming I can deadlift 200kg+ are somewhat slim.

If people do want to make it a condition of the chart then that's absolutely fine of course but I don't really see the need.
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For me, videos aren't really about proof. I mean, that's cool too if people want to be strict with themselves, but the reality is that this is meant to be a fairly light hearted league table representing a community. How many of the squats will be to IPF depth? Next to none probably, but who cares? Well, I guess I would if it was stupidly high but you get my point...

I think it adds to the community if people post videos. I have a genuine interest in just seeing people lift. In my gym there are a group of about 15 regulars, and if someone is lifting something big for them (no matter what that is) everyone watches and gets behind them. For 99.99% of the time when I mention that I want to see a video of a forum members lift, this is why.

My final point with you SPW, good sir, is that I know who you are. You have posted within the gym threads for a long time, and I believe you went to a meet (??). I think it's highly unlikely that people will post fake numbers, but there are a lot of names on the list that I don't recognise. Some of that is because I generally only follow the people who lift similar numbers to me and the more rampant posters, which is why I'm not suggesting a subjective witch hunt!
Morba said:
The video thing comes up now and then with this, I'm still of the opinion that in general it's not needed. Hell I'm 2nd on the table and no one has ever questioned my lifts or requested vids. The only ones I've posted are from comps and been for reps.

We have found in our gym that the camera kills things. It's the curse of the camera. Rarely do we actually get a lift when being filmed lol.

If people want to prove themselves then cool, a lot of people won't want to post vids and that's cool too.
Some people will post outlandish claims, let's be honest though, there are enough people in here with enough brains to know what sounds right and what doesn't. So we know when to ask for a little proof.
Hell if some random comes in saying they pulled 300kg but only had a vid of repping 270, would we really argue? Most 'strong' people are known these days, they are on more strength orientated forums so would be spotted elsewhere or be competing in some sense.
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I'm sure I've asked for videos of you! Not of you lifting anything though... ;)

Your "curse of the camera" makes it very easy for competitors to sabotage you on comp day too :p

The other thing with JC (apart from my points above about community, which is the main issue for me) is that his lifts ARE borderline unbelievable. How many people can you think of that can squat 240kg to proper depth at 87kg in this country? Not many right? There are maybe a few guys on Sugden, and then probably a couple of others that could be named around the country.

I'm not calling him a liar when I say this, but I don't know why a guy who is that strong and who isn't posting or reading regularly would care about being in the table. Why, for example, doesn't JC put his bi-annual gym lift updates on Sugden? You could argue that his feats would be better appreciated there.

I guess my extremely ramble-ey point here is:
Wanting to post/read and take part in the community might lead to someone wanting to take part in a league table, but why would someone want to post and be a part of the community just so they can stay in the league table?

If you read this JC, please know that I mean no offence to you. Obviously, do whatever you want to do, but it would be awesome to have another active poster who lifts similar weights to me.
 
I can see both sides of it here.

I'm still of the opinion that you shouldn't have to video stuff, and to be fair, I tend to video quite a few things.

That said, when you're not in a small, close knit group of gym goers as such, then it can be a bit weird, asking some randomer to film for you. That aside, as I go to the gym with the gf, I tend to get her to video them for me, but, even then we get some weird looks, because, as Christian has already drawn on, commerical gym's aren't quite so for it as such...

I'd say I'm against it, just because I fear it has a way of excluding people. If people want to lie, so what. I don't compete against people on the forum, I compete against myself, and my goals. At some point, yes, my goals might be to start lifting as much as some of the other 'rampant posters' (love that phrase), but even so, I wouldn't fabricate a weight, just so that I have a heavier lift than someone else, because hell, if I did, it would take all the reward out of it.

I suspect not really aiming to be a Powerlifter, that's where my opinion differs, and I can completely understand the point of view from that perspective.

kd
 
The point of commercial gyms and getting weird looks is a bit weak. Yes it is very true, but LiE and myself both go to a very commercial gym, and both ask random people to film us, neither of us has had someone say no, and generally they are quite interested and agreeing when you say it's to check your form.

I do however appreciate that some people just don't have the confidence to ask people, I mean even sit there between sets and scoop the room to pick up e courage to ask someone. Consider this, everyone who goes to the gym is there to exercise, and get something out of it, so I would be very suprised if anyone turned anyone down, unless you, yourself are totally weird lol
 
Tbh I never really look at people's body weights in the list, just the numbers being lifted :D

Yeah, that's a huge squat by him to be fair!
 
The thing to remember, as always, this is just a sports forum on a Computer site.
What next, drugs testing a separate list for the users?
Age based list?

I don't think JC would mind being removed, it's not that important to him.
 
Morba said:
The thing to remember, as always, this is just a sports forum on a Computer site.
What next, drugs testing a separate list for the users?
Age based list?

I don't think JC would mind being removed, it's not that important to him.
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I think a new thread every year is the easiest way of keeping the table relevant.

My stance on JC is no different to any other individual, in that he will have to submit his numbers to the new table in the new year.
 
Syla5 said:
The point of commercial gyms and getting weird looks is a bit weak. Yes it is very true, but LiE and myself both go to a very commercial gym, and both ask random people to film us, neither of us has had someone say no, and generally they are quite interested and agreeing when you say it's to check your form.

I do however appreciate that some people just don't have the confidence to ask people, I mean even sit there between sets and scoop the room to pick up e courage to ask someone. Consider this, everyone who goes to the gym is there to exercise, and get something out of it, so I would be very suprised if anyone turned anyone down, unless you, yourself are totally weird lol
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I don't think it's weak at all. It's one thing to ask a stranger to film you in a quiet gym in milton keynes full of professionals to record your deadlift .

But it's another to do so in a gym full of stuck ups where everybody frowns wen you drop the bar from 2 inches and looks at you like you're some kind of child molester.

And to find a person willing to be recorded on your bench attempt - not that easy.
 
Cristian said:
I don't think it's weak at all. It's one thing to ask a stranger to film you in a quiet gym in milton keynes full of professionals to record your deadlift .

But it's another to do so in a gym full of stuck ups where everybody frowns wen you drop the bar from 2 inches and looks at you like you're some kind of child molester.

And to find a person willing to be recorded on your bench attempt - not that easy.
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Amen.

It's a nice idea, and it's great if people get films up, but it's not always convenient too. It would be foolish to make it a requirement as it just excludes those that can't. Getting someone to film that 'Oh, you know what, I'm feeling particularly good, let me just try this, moment' can be quite difficult..

Mind you, I wouldn't be against the idea of clearing the table yearly. That said, what about people like FF? Does he get to keep his PB's? OR does he have to put in his current biggest lifts?

kd
 
King Damager said:
Mind you, I wouldn't be against the idea of clearing the table yearly. That said, what about people like FF? Does he get to keep his PB's? OR does he have to put in his current biggest lifts?
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Maybe not yearly, but i think it's unfair that my lifts are still on there, considering i've not even stepped into a gym in nearly half a year, and would probably struggle to deadlift what i was benching back then.
 
icecold said:
My final point with you SPW, good sir, is that I know who you are. You have posted within the gym threads for a long time, and I believe you went to a meet (??). I think it's highly unlikely that people will post fake numbers, but there are a lot of names on the list that I don't recognise. Some of that is because I generally only follow the people who lift similar numbers to me and the more rampant posters, which is why I'm not suggesting a subjective witch hunt!
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I did indeed go to the Muscleworks meet aside from a number of GD related meets. I take the points that you'd be interested in seeing the lifts anyway and like I say I've got no strong preference against the videos but do think they'd be slightly unnecessary if it were for proof.

Anyway I've decided after spending long enough looking at the tables that I should actually take part so I went for a 1rm on squats and deadlift today which means my weedy efforts are:

semi-pro waster ------- 65+ / 90 / 110 ------- [78] ----- 265

No videos mind so I'll understand if they don't count... :D The squat wasn't too bad, definitely hit parallel and no real problem driving out of the hole. The deadlift on the other hand was much less solid, it wasn't painful in any way but I could feel that my form had broken so it wasn't a fluid movement at all. On the bright side it was double overhand and no problems with the grip plus having such a low starting point does mean I can only get better. Depending on how busy the gym is tomorrow and how I'm feeling I might see about trying to get my bench press up a bit.
 
Sorry for harping on here, I really dont mind if videos are posted or not, or are made a requirement or not, I just like to see what the other members do. I like watching people lift, especially id they are producing similar figures to myself, it's always nice to compare.

On the topic of video's, asking people to film, and the excuses that are being made, well 75% of my videos are done with the phone propped up somewhere, no need to ask anyone for help with filming, no awkwardness, and for squats and deadlifts this is fine.

Also, DW is not some quiet out of the way gym. The weights room is full of members of the "British National Everyday is Chest Day Party". Pretty much only myself and LiE and 2 or 3 others Deadlift/squat anywhere close to properly. I would be inclined to think that the stuck up people are more likely to appreciate the reason for being asked, and would also have the intelligence to know where the record button is without having to be show, somewhat rescuing the awkwardness of it all..

Funny story, I asked someone to film me deadlifting once, he said "I haven't done one of those before, but sure I will give it a go" thinking I wanted to film him doing it haha, true bro that he was.
 
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