Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [29th December 2012 - 2nd January 2013]

that's a very good bit of business by chelsea, however, that's either curtains for torres or oscar getting dropped. can't see mata or hazard being pushed out.
 
K1LLSW1TCH said:
Bale's comment at the end was retarded too, about if there's contact he's not diving and it's a foul. Unfortunately for him there are varying degrees of contact and I find it hard to believe that a player with such good upper body strength can be felled so often with what appear to be soft touches or no touches at all.

If someone has clipped his feet or shoved him off balance it's different, but 99/100 he goes face down, arms outstretched and looking around immediately to see if he has the decision. The way in which he goes down probably has as much to do with the decision as the tackles do.
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That is illogical.

Firstly, because a player has better balance/strength/pace it cannot be the case that he has to receive greater wallops than a wobbly little waif of a player in order to get the foul. You effectively penalise physically superior players for being better.

Secondly, the rule has to be "if there is contact there is a foul". No one can measure what is meaningful to the recipient as they are only observers.

Even if they could, Bale riding the challenge and then subsequentyl being off balance for the shot is not an attractive position to be in. It isn't fair to say that it isn't a foul because he could have stayed on his feet. Any loss of balance resulting from contact is obviously a foul.

So on the basis that you shouldn't penalise players with better balance nor can you judge what is meaningful (together with the ridiculous situation of refs not giving fouls unless players go down) means that if there is contact it is a foul and the player is entitled to go down to get the foul/penalty.

All of this is caveated by the fact that a player can't thrown his limbs outwards in order to generate contact and still receive a foul.

In order for Suarez to get his penalty, he had to fall FORWARDS whilst being pulled BACKWARDS. Refs need to sort themselves out and players will stop diving.

Edit; on Walcott's involvement in a game, he sounds like defoe. If you can effectively ignore him in build up play and play with 10 men he is deadly. I have mentioned this before, AVB had finally got us keeping possession well enough with 10 men and just playing defoe in at the right time. Previousmanagers have wwanted Defoe to be involved in the build up play and that has been disastrous. AVB gets the team to play up to defoe and then play him in and it works. Arsenal are certainly comfortable enough to mimic that with Walcott and he seems pretty clinical in the box. It might be a nice option to retain.

On pienaar; he was sold before AVB arrived (I think) as part of the Harry regime. It is hugely unfortunate that he is the type of player would would work well in our current system.
 
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