Fat tax

It was explained to me by a Bariatric Surgeon at the Royal Bournemouth Hospital, (however I doubt there is any conclusive evidence in the form of studies I could point to as they predominantly concern themselves with the effects of additives and sweetners.) It is one of the reasons why Restrictive Bariatric patients are told not drink carbonated liquids after their surgery (lifetime). Like anything however, some people simply will never be affected by it, but if you think about it in its most basic premise, if you expand your stomach with gas then you will be able to get more food into it, particularly if you eat and drink at the same time and too quickly.

From a personal persepective, I feel the issue is more our dependence on carbohydrates, and the lack of education on the importance of low fat, protein rich diets, as you will be less likely to gain weight and be less hungry the greater the protein part of your diet is in relation to carbs. Everyone stresses about sugar, without realising that carbs are equally an issue in weight management.
All very true.

I tend to lumber most carbs in with the sugar group anyway & avoid most of them (except brown rice/wholegrain or other high fibre carbs).

"Avoid sugary carbs, east less sugary sweet junk" - is pretty much all the diet advice you need - unfortunately the above is most of the food in the supermarket.
 
It was explained to me by a Bariatric Surgeon at the Royal Bournemouth Hospital, (however I doubt there is any conclusive evidence in the form of studies I could point to as they predominantly concern themselves with the effects of additives and sweetners.) It is one of the reasons why Restrictive Bariatric patients are told not drink carbonated liquids after their surgery (lifetime). Like anything however, some people simply will never be affected by it, but if you think about it in its most basic premise, if you expand your stomach with gas then you will be able to get more food into it, particularly if you eat and drink at the same time and too quickly.


It is an interesting point for sure. I'll have a look around and see if there is anything more to it, bound to be something out there that mentions it even if it is only the case for people being treated by the bariatric surgeons :)
 
Healthy food is generally more expensive. You'd find a lot of people eat badly because of budget rather than because they enjoy eating garbage.

1 bag of frozen chicken breasts is £4.75, that's for 1kg, which will last 6 meals of average size, then frozen veg is £1 for a bag, which should last a similar amount of meals. So under £1 for a healthy meal, and a crappy Rustlers burger is £1 too? A chocolate bar is 60p?

I can see how it's much more expensive to not eat crap. :rolleyes:
 
I think that fat people should be urged to decrease their fats. Otherwise they will really be "evil" not themselves but their fatness will be cause of many deceases.
 
1 bag of frozen chicken breasts is £4.75, that's for 1kg, which will last 6 meals of average size, then frozen veg is £1 for a bag, which should last a similar amount of meals. So under £1 for a healthy meal, and a crappy Rustlers burger is £1 too? A chocolate bar is 60p?

I can see how it's much more expensive to not eat crap. :rolleyes:

1 kg of chicken breasts (those without added dextrose, glucose syrup and water) in my local supermarket is a lot more expensive than £4.75. The cheapest in Tesco is around £7-£10 per kilo.
 
1 kg of chicken breasts (those without added dextrose, glucose syrup and water) in my local supermarket is a lot more expensive than £4.75. The cheapest in Tesco is around £7-£10 per kilo.

It doesn't matter which you get, regardless of if it has the added bits in, it's still better than any ready meal you can buy, for half the price. Even if you use the more expensive chicken, it again, is still cheaper than ready microwave meals.

People are too lazy and use excuses for not eating more healthily. It's easily achievable to eat healthily on a budget.
 
1 kg of chicken breasts (those without added dextrose, glucose syrup and water) in my local supermarket is a lot more expensive than £4.75. The cheapest in Tesco is around £7-£10 per kilo.

Need to buy online.

5kilo for £25 no added water or salt
http://www.musclefood.com/chicken-breast-fillets-bulk.html

Doesn't say anything but 5kilos for £20
http://www.stiltonbutchers.co.uk/bulk-chicken-breast-skinless-boneless-pid192.html

No added water, salt, sugar 5kilos £23.99
https://www.bulkmeats.co.uk/products/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast

Etc, tons of bulk buy deals.
 
Time to get shopping :cool:

It's also worth doing that non British thing and talk to suppliers. Find a local butcher you like the quality off, or ask them how it's raised, which farm etc and talk to them. Especially if it'll be a regular order. They probably won't have it, but most can get stuff in and do deals.
 
Need to buy online.

5kilo for £25 no added water or salt
http://www.musclefood.com/chicken-breast-fillets-bulk.html

Doesn't say anything but 5kilos for £20
http://www.stiltonbutchers.co.uk/bulk-chicken-breast-skinless-boneless-pid192.html

No added water, salt, sugar 5kilos £23.99
https://www.bulkmeats.co.uk/products/boneless-skinless-chicken-breast

Etc, tons of bulk buy deals.

No thanks. I like to see what I am buying food wise before I buy it.

I'm not bothered by the the prices of chicken in particular, simply pointing out that it can be cheaper to eat unhealthy than healthily. 4 fresh chicken breasts for £6 (or £4 if bought from those links you supplied) or 4 breaded chicken portions for £1?

This argument is hardly new.
 
A chicken breast looks like a chicken breast. Looking at it usually tells you nothing. I would rather have th variety that online shopping brings. Try finding 100% grass feed beef locally, that is well treated and mainly reared outside. For example. It's not easy.
Yet looking at that compared to another type of raised beef, isn't going to tell me much from sight alone.

It's not a new argument, but people assume supermarkets are cheap and they just aren't as cheap as people think. Pack of mushromoms is 25% cheaper at my green grocers compared to tesco.
My free range and I mean that in its proper sense not legal sense, is 5p more per qaurter than tescos normal chicken, let alone free range/finest.

Going back to the fat is perceived as evil and people only want x-perceived good cuts.
Why on earth pay more for skinless crappy chicken breasts, when you can have some flavourful chicken thighs with skin on at a cheaper price which for most dishes are far more suitable and tasty. Obviously not every dish, breasts are good for something's.

It's like that rubbish shopping program showed that in most supermarkets it's cheaper buying separate than the "cheap" value packs.
 
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I think the biggest issue is that people don't know how to cook these days. Combine that with a general lack of interest in food and you have quick and easy unhealthy diet.

I put myself in that same group btw, some nights I'll take the time to make something nice but most of the time I just want something quick and easy from the convenience store.

I'm starting to pay more attention now but it's not something that interests me, it's just another daily chore.
 
People should have more knowledge and willpower, if it gets out of hand I suppose a fat tax could be a good disincentive to stay podgy.
 
Its all getting to be a bit of a joke, it is possible to be a bigger size and fit, I have been large since I left school at 16, but I run 15-20k a week and cycle 6k, 5 days a week, I do not drink sugar drinks or take any sugar in my hot drinks and I tend to watch what I eat, yet I remain big 18 stone and 6 foot 3 inches.

I have never smoked and have not drunk alcohol for over 10 years, and will be very unhappy if they start making diet or zero drinks more expensive.
 
People are too lazy and use excuses for not eating more healthily. It's easily achievable to eat healthily on a budget.

This pretty much sums it up. It's disgusting when people blame obesity on a lack of education or availability of healthy food. Everything required is out there. Lots of people these days just like to blame their problems on someone else :rolleyes:
 
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