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Fat tax
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It won't though, lets be honest.
I dont get it though you cant tell me people dont know whats healty and whats not?.
Ok some may not but lets be honest here most do so educate what? what people all ready know.
people dont eat the stuff because they dont know its bad for them they eat it becuase they want to and can.
You seen the adverts on smoking some are rather nasty but I dont know one person that has qiut due to them not one and all my mates smoke (ok I only have one mate) but still he aint quit
People don't know, combines with coporation propaganda and bad advice.
It's then all a bit meaningless without knowing at least the basics of the mechanisms behind why x does y.
People go it's as simple as less calories in than calories out.
When it really isn't and certain thing make it much harder to achieve that, like sugars.
Then on top of that being thin in no way means healthy. Reserch has showen that thin people on crap diets are only very marginally better off than those who are fat.
It's a very complicated area and these dumbed down general guidance combined with the war on saturated fat, cholestrol etc, has made it far worse.
Just another trick by the elite to deplete people's wealth thats all this is.If you think they give a dam about you well you are badly mistaken.
I think they all need a size 9 in the rear region.If i want to die young and eat semi unhealthy who are they to do so.The prices of say a bottle of lucozade are already a scandal with the recent inflation.
Min wage is also stuck and lets not forget who doesnt want to get old,have to sell thier home for care and be dragged about by thier willy by some nurse who shouts at you all day?
Bunch of Nazi's.
I think they all need a size 9 in the rear region.If i want to die young and eat semi unhealthy who are they to do so.The prices of say a bottle of lucozade are already a scandal with the recent inflation.
Min wage is also stuck and lets not forget who doesnt want to get old,have to sell thier home for care and be dragged about by thier willy by some nurse who shouts at you all day?
Bunch of Nazi's.
People should be educated on cooking more.
In cooking lessons in school, the healthiest thing I remember learning to make was toad in the hole, pretty much everything else was cakes and desserts. Now I've been cooking for myself for a few years, I find it quite easy to eat relatively healthily and cheaply, but there is a lot more I still could learn.
Teach people to cook, and they will eat better.
In cooking lessons in school, the healthiest thing I remember learning to make was toad in the hole, pretty much everything else was cakes and desserts. Now I've been cooking for myself for a few years, I find it quite easy to eat relatively healthily and cheaply, but there is a lot more I still could learn.
Teach people to cook, and they will eat better.
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I wish I could.The best I can do ATM, is roast chicken or nuts (generally nuts in the cooking isle so they aren't covered in crap. But even that doesn't make it interesting and I don't really want to be eating mass produced chicken. But it's the best I can do without planning.
I wish some one with money would set up a shop a bit bigger than a tesco metro. Opening hours minimum 5:30 to 22:00. Open 7 days a week.
Would stock local meat, proper fresh baked bread, locally caught fish, locally made sauces, "ready" meals and everything else.
All these foods exist, but in a dozen different shops spread out over a 10mile radius, with poor opening times. The individual shops have ques 5/6days a week all week. So the demand is there. I can't understand why someone with a bit of capital hasn't tied making such a shop.
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The best I can do ATM, is roast chicken or nuts (generally nuts in the cooking isle so they aren't covered in crap. But even that doesn't make it interesting and I don't really want to be eating mass produced chicken. But it's the best I can do without planning.
Grow ya own chickens
How can he feed them though and listen to the little chuck chuck and then chop thier heads off ><
Pretty easy to have chickens and it doesnt take much space as long as you can bring yourself to butcher it.100% organic also.
Check out that video on youtube about 1000 pounds of food grown in some small little space.You could have chickens on the top floor and say some fish on the bottom floor.Might as well use the chicken poop for a few vegie's as well.
If you look at the average back garden people could feed themselves if they just went into multistory organic growing.
Pretty easy to have chickens and it doesnt take much space as long as you can bring yourself to butcher it.100% organic also.
Check out that video on youtube about 1000 pounds of food grown in some small little space.You could have chickens on the top floor and say some fish on the bottom floor.Might as well use the chicken poop for a few vegie's as well.
If you look at the average back garden people could feed themselves if they just went into multistory organic growing.
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Grow ya own chickens
I get decent quality chickens. It's just when at work or traveling. You have no choice basically. Unless you plan ahead and even then isn't always doable. I spend one week in three away from home. I have no choice but to eat crap I don't want to.
Easily, but as above it doesn't solve the problem of eating when out. As well asim not at home all the time.
exactly there for charging more wont stop you just pee you off more LOL
Charging a fat tax etc aint for our health its for there income.
I agree, and tbh I don't education alone would be enough by a long way. But generalities "natural good, reduce calories, avoid sugars etc." need to be the way, even those few things are fairly good advice if you are doing nothing to begin with.
If something isn't done the NHS will collapse under the weight of patients (excuse the pun). It's not just treating the illness, diabetes, heart disease, liver disease, etc. It's treating obese patient patients which can't be done by a single nurse. If you get someone who is 30+ Stone, it takes 2-4 nurses to move them (if they can) special equipment, even beds and chairs are often too small.
People have to take resposibility for their own health, if they won't. Then you tell them there will be consiquences, they may have to pay for treatment, not be treated, the obvious one is that they'll die early. But not many listen to that one.
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Thats just it no one listens nor cares
we cant be shocked no more like I said the adverts on smoking are kinda nasty but never stoped any one I know from smoking.
Drink driving adverts showing kids getting killed does not stop idiots doing it
showing some one fat and exploding wont do any thing
saying your gonna die early if ya dont stop eating rubbish wont have no effect I dont think personally
we cant be shocked no more like I said the adverts on smoking are kinda nasty but never stoped any one I know from smoking.
Drink driving adverts showing kids getting killed does not stop idiots doing it
showing some one fat and exploding wont do any thing
saying your gonna die early if ya dont stop eating rubbish wont have no effect I dont think personally
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If you are going to do that then its only fair you do it for smoking, drinking, drug taking related illnesses, hell why not take a leaf out of Americas book where only the rich can afford healthcare and it costs thousands for simple treatments.
The NHS will collapse anyway, obesity or no obesity. Reserch is getting harder and thus costs more. Drugs need to recoupe more money and the number of people affected by these illnesses and need said drugs are dropping.
Ie old reserch might of cost £600million and the drug could treat 1billion people.
Now drugs cost £800million and only 1 in 10,000 of the population is affected by it. Meaning the drug has to cost more.
It will reach a point when we will have no choice but to have a massive rething of the NHS in this country, the signs of the cracks are already showing. Ie drugs available in one county but not the other.
Hmm I think I just went off topic.
Ie old reserch might of cost £600million and the drug could treat 1billion people.
Now drugs cost £800million and only 1 in 10,000 of the population is affected by it. Meaning the drug has to cost more.
It will reach a point when we will have no choice but to have a massive rething of the NHS in this country, the signs of the cracks are already showing. Ie drugs available in one county but not the other.
Hmm I think I just went off topic.
Maybe in your local hospital, but I can safely say the food at my local hospital is the worst I've ever eaten. Undercooked cold bland food no matter what you picked off the menu. Still the hospital do now recognise this issue and have announced a review of their food and food preparation.
Only if you ignore the reserch, taht shows you are at almost the same risk as fat people.
This is another pet hate of mine. Statistical reviews. Which make something's look bad and something's look good.
Statistical fat people on average will eat worse therefore higher risk and you think you are at a much lower risk as you aren't fat.
Clinical trials on the other hand, remove that statistics and compare fat unhealthy diets with thin unhealthy diets and show that the thin people are only lightly lower risk.
Sorry didn't make my point very well. I didn't mean "Charge them as such" I meant spell it out in black and white that the costs involved can be huge. And that the NHS is not the easiest, quickest fix, for free. They have a responsibility to do their part before they automatically get the treatment, that might be losing weight, giving up the ciggies, or stopping drinking.
Ideally you'd encourge/educate people to take care of themselves a bit better. But what do you do if that approach doesn't work?
It's not really all about the money, there is real potential that the system will simply not be able to treat everyone .Plus some of these diseases are horrific in the long term, not only for the patients but their families.
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