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Are next gen highend GPU's going be priced like the Titan ??

So the forum should be censored in case someone suggests a member doesn't buy an expensive item and instead goes for something less?

Point is those buying a Titan aren't doing so thinking it's a 'bang for buck card' they do not need/want someone telling over and over again that it's a waste of money, it's there money bro.

Those keep talking about Titan being to expensive will probably buy one when the price drops anyway. Those that can afford one now are getting it now not when the price drops. Launch cards are always expensive. You pay the extra for getting it first especially when not many are available. Launch cards with 6GB of ram and based on full Kepler are going to be even more expensive :p.

Remember this isn't the GTX 680 replacement, that will be another stripped down gaming GPU, weak compute with excellent gaming performance. The Titan is big Kepler. *Different things*.

It's like someone who wants a 3960x being told to buy a 3570k because it's cheaper. Someone buying a 3960x just wants the best...
 
So the forum should be censored in case someone suggests a member doesn't buy an expensive item and instead goes for something less?

That's some seriously faulty logic, plus how many times have people suggested 7950s in the place of 7970s, 670s, 680s and so on? That's the same effect really isn't it?

A rule like "don't give people advice on stuff to buy because we want people to buy without knowing their full options just to make sure we make a high profit sale" would never be made.

I'm not advocating censorship - everyone should absolutely have the right to an opinion, however that opinion doesn't need to be rammed down everyone's throats when everyone else in a thread is asking about or posting up information about a new product, the member in question was not saying "buy a 7970 instead" he was just ranting on page after page that anyone thinking of buying a Titan is stupid, which is totally not the same thing as you've suggested

making it impossible to get information or ask the questions I wanted directly led to me going to another retailer to get answers and product, which from a business point of view is a crazy decision to make
 
I'm not advocating censorship - everyone should absolutely have the right to an opinion, however that opinion doesn't need to be rammed down everyone's throats when everyone else in a thread is asking about or posting up information about a new product, the member in question was not saying "buy a 7970 instead" he was just ranting on page after page that anyone thinking of buying a Titan is stupid, which is totally not the same thing as you've suggested

making it impossible to get information or ask the questions I wanted directly led to me going to another retailer to get answers and product, which from a business point of view is a crazy decision to make

Your talking about me. And i will say this.. I did not do any such thing.

I said the price of the card is stupid.
 
Your talking about me. And i will say this.. I did not do any such thing.

I said the price of the card is stupid.

I'm not talking about you, get over yourself :D
(I made a comment in another thread about another member and how from a business point of view it's probably not a great idea to let someone rubbish your latest product over and over and he got all shirty about censorship in that one as well)
 
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I'm not advocating censorship - everyone should absolutely have the right to an opinion, however that opinion doesn't need to be rammed down everyone's throats when everyone else in a thread is asking about or posting up information about a new product, the member in question was not saying "buy a 7970 instead" he was just ranting on page after page that anyone thinking of buying a Titan is stupid, which is totally not the same thing as you've suggested

making it impossible to get information or ask the questions I wanted directly led to me going to another retailer to get answers and product, which from a business point of view is a crazy decision to make

+1

The person in question ranted on page after page, post after post. Everything relevant he had to say could have been condensed down into one post.
 
all I meant was that 7970 on launch day was a far higher price than it dropped to not all that long afterwards, and drivers have improved a lot since even April 2012 as well... tahiti is a big chip compared to kepler so it didn't make much sense that 680's were able to keep up or even beat 7970's in some games and AMD have had to do a lot to fight back, it's taken the best part of year to really get the most it's capable of out of it

If that was your post instead of the one I replied to, it would have got a +1 from me.

My/others interpretation of the post in question is misinformation/FACT, which adds to the 12 months on it only got faster-adds to the lousy AMD drivers pitch.

The defensive part comes from those that keep harping on about how it took AMD 12 months to get to where it is, when it didn't, we are only seeing the true numbers on how 'faster' the 7970GHz is over the 680 now that the Titan has appeared.

Most in the forum asking advice, still believe the 680 to be faster due to the 'from what I read here and on the net' etc.

Tommy likes to paste that review everywhere

7970 v 680 both oc'ed results(I didn't cherry pick it, it was posted at the time of release):

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18403773

That was in May mate, the 7970 not the GHz and it also came from Galaxy sponsored [H] so they weren't doing AMD any favours at all.

As you will notice, it didn't gather much attention at the time with only 22 comments. ;)

That's not the same one I posted you the other day that I posted to Andy, yours was a comparison in may-which I may add had a driver improvement that matched the 680.;)

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I tend to go on user results. :p

But you don't.:

The memory is slightly worse on the 7950s I've found but a memory overclock from 1600 (average) to 1700-1800 doesn't make much difference to overall performance and definitely not enough to revise it from 5% to 5-10%.

Because in shader intensive titles, it's ~10% extra performance on the 70's, vram/core has little to no bearing in this regard.



I have tested them on like for like clocks, come back and tell me I'm wrong when you have actually compared the two yourself.

:)

It's not about wrong/right Tommy, no matter how much you try to frame the debate that way. The 5% difference clock for clock is the universally agreed figure. If you've got some situations where that's not the case then let's see the actual numbers. I've seen a number of situations here where 7% has magically became 10% or vice versa so numbers are needed.

Without seeing your results your own findings don't suddenly override the default perspective. If you've got some evidence then that can be assessed on its own.

To summarize, some say 5%, I tested up to 10% even though I'm reccomending the 7950 as you won't notice it anyway in games.

Others haven't came back and then said it's only 5%.

Shader intensive test, clock for clock@stock MSI 7970 OC clocks@1010/1375, rest of spec in sig.

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7970

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7950

Well, you walked away without reply then.

Again:

I tend to go on user results. :p

Despite still maintaining:

Well as a 7950 is clock for clock around 5% slower

That's why I post things over, to keep pointing out to those that refuse the facts/paint different pictures of the truth!
 
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Point is those buying a Titan aren't doing so thinking it's a 'bang for buck card' they do not need/want someone telling over and over again that it's a waste of money, it's there money bro.

But what they need or what to hear isn't how forums work is it? If they don't want or need to hear that some thing it's not a wise choice, they either stop posting about it, or accept that people have stuff to say about it, and refute their comments without turning in to a bent out of shape baby in the process.

Those keep talking about Titan being to expensive will probably buy one when the price drops anyway. Those that can afford one now are getting it now not when the price drops. Launch cards are always expensive. You pay the extra for getting it first especially when not many are available. Launch cards with 6GB of ram and based on full Kepler are going to be even more expensive :p.

I certainly won't be buying a Titan when (if) the price drops, and I don't think many others will, though I don't believe the price really will drop.

Launch cards aren't always expensive as not every retailer price gouges, however, the price here is around the price it should be based on American RRP, and based on the very limited production run, price drops aren't likely to happen, what will more likely happen is that supply will dry up without a price drop.

Remember this isn't the GTX 680 replacement, that will be another stripped down gaming GPU, weak compute with excellent gaming performance. The Titan is big Kepler. *Different things*.

I'm well aware of what it is, I know it's not a 680 replacement. People don't disagree with the price just because they can't afford it, and that logic is nearly always bad, because it's nearly always used as a "jealous?" type of comment.

As for being a "different" thing, well that's very obvious, but it just highlights the bad choices nVidia made when doing the 670 and 680.

It's like someone who wants a 3960x being told to buy a 3570k because it's cheaper. Someone buying a 3960x just wants the best...

That's a very bad example, It's like telling someone who wants a 3960X to get a 3930K, because in the real world, the 3960X won't offer an appreciable difference compared to a 3930K despite being twice the price, and are in fact the same chip anyway.



I'm not advocating censorship - everyone should absolutely have the right to an opinion, however that opinion doesn't need to be rammed down everyone's throats when everyone else in a thread is asking about or posting up information about a new product, the member in question was not saying "buy a 7970 instead" he was just ranting on page after page that anyone thinking of buying a Titan is stupid, which is totally not the same thing as you've suggested

Well I saw the comments you spoke about, and the ramming of stuff down people's throats didn't really happen. The "other" Andy made some comments, got jumped on because he wasn't vomitting rainbows all over everyone, and then he proceeded to reply to those comments. What happened in that thread was a group activity, not the responsibility of an individual's comments that some people didn't like. The people who responded to his "negative" comments about Titan caused more of an issue than you could say he actually caused.

making it impossible to get information or ask the questions I wanted directly led to me going to another retailer to get answers and product, which from a business point of view is a crazy decision to make

I'd like to think that most people on these forums buy from the best priced place. I won't buy from here if it's more expensive with delivery included. If the delivery price works out to be the same, I'll buy from here based purely on the fact that I'm in the Stoke area, so it simplifies any possible RMAs, as I could just go in to the shop.

Outside of that though, I'll buy where I can get my stuff the cheapest, as long as it's not from what looks to be a clearly dodgy/fake or whatever site.

You made the choice to buy from wherever you bought from, however, as I said before it was a group of people that caused the issue, and the ones really causing the issue were those getting bent out of shape because he was being a meany and saying mean things about Titan, but your comments are really advocating censorship.



I'm not talking about you, get over yourself :D
(I made a comment in another thread about another member and how from a business point of view it's probably not a great idea to let someone rubbish your latest product over and over and he got all shirty about censorship in that one as well)

That IS censorship though, you are suggesting it saying that it's not a great idea to let people say Titan isn't worth its price and people shouldn't buy.

Saying that it's not a good idea means that you think OcUK shouldn't allow it because technically it's inconvenient.
 
My titan comes with a gaming mouse pad :) £830 is not a bad price for a bit of exclusivity. People waste a lot more on other stuff like smoking , drinking, designer underpants etc etc..
 
Enjoy it, you shouldn't have to justify your purchase for anybody.

I expressed too much about the price in the Titan thread, if you read my last post in the matter then you know my reasons in regards to the PC scene why.

:)
 
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No, it's unlikely as the pricing of Titan doesn't really fit in with anything other than it being extremely niche, small volume product.

It is a single GPU high end card. yes its limited volume but it is still a single gpu high end gaming solution.

i stated in the titan thread that if this card sold so well, what reason do nvidia have to "not" sell a 780 for a similar price?

what dictates the price of anything is how many are willing to buy it for that price.
 
Tommy that's far too long to read. There's too much incoherence (specifically point 3 below) in the argument for me to respond point on point.

From what I did read:

1) shader benchmark != game performance

2) your performance review is 2560*1600... of course the gap will be slimmer/non existent at this resolution and I was going on Gregster's 1920 results prior to him being called a liar where user game benchmarks I believe far more than review sites

3) just because I'm not taking your shader benchmark as useful doesn't mean that I'm not using user reviews (which is what you said :confused:)

Also, you can't waffle somebody into submission so that you think you're right.

Not sure why you keep taking threads off topic regarding the 5% and 7970/680 performance either. This is the third one in a week. I said to you in the other thread that you should email me if you want to discuss it further hence my lack of response after becoming a little bored (or raise a new thread) but you didn't and now you've done it on this thread as well and even pasting the same things as the other thread :(.

Did ALXAndy get hold of your forum account or something? :p ;)
 
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It is a single GPU high end card. yes its limited volume but it is still a single gpu high end gaming solution.

i stated in the titan thread that if this card sold so well, what reason do nvidia have to "not" sell a 780 for a similar price?

what dictates the price of anything is how many are willing to buy it for that price.

Exactly
 
It is a single GPU high end card. yes its limited volume but it is still a single gpu high end gaming solution.

i stated in the titan thread that if this card sold so well, what reason do nvidia have to "not" sell a 780 for a similar price?

what dictates the price of anything is how many are willing to buy it for that price.

Thats not the way the market works though, if Nvidia & Amd tried to sell the next gen cards at the Titan prices they would lose money. They know that keeping the price low and volumes high makes them far more profit than vice versa.
It would be business suicide if they tried to sell the next gen cards for Titan prices.
 
Thats not the way the market works though, if Nvidia & Amd tried to sell the next gen cards at the Titan prices they would lose money. They know that keeping the price low and volumes high makes them far more profit than vice versa.
It would be business suicide if they tried to sell the next gen cards for Titan prices.

+1

These Titans are a one off (for now) and as such, the price is reflecting that. I expect the 8970 (true 8970, not the OEM one) and the 780 to come in at ~£450
 
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These Titans are a one off (for now) and as such, the price is reflecting that. I expect the 8970 (true 8970, not the OEM one) and the 780 to come in at ~£450

One advantage of getting the Titan now is I can not see the next gen 780 or 8970 having any more performance that the Titan so we can skip the next gen when it arrives.
 
One advantage of getting the Titan now is I can not see the next gen 780 or 8970 having any more performance that the Titan so we can skip the next gen when it arrives.

Agreed. I expect the 780 from rumours to be around 10% slower than a Titan at best. Maybe the 8970 will be a little closer, as again rumours were touting 25% faster. I am only going on rumours though and this could be miles off. Maybe AMD want the crown back, so anything is possible.
 
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