Female Students Facing Sexual Harassment And Groping In University Lad Culture, Says NUS

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aln said:
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I have explained this in the post above, and it needs no repeating. The associations are the point I was making, that I did not list them all or treat each one individually is irrelevant as I explained above. And it isn't about one OR the other, but about the associations....for example:

A kid beats his mate comprehensively in a computer game (or any game or competition) and he expressed three things, one that he beat him, the other his dominance over him, and also that he humiliated him in doing so, he does this by using the term "You've been Raped" casually.

To each kid it doesn't mean anything other than one kid got one up on his mate.....however the associations are still there with the formal use of the word Rape...they being the use of power and humiliation to express themselves over another often in a belligerant or violent way (depending on the game, activity or context of course), I think a better term, and I should have possibly used it initially is one of dominance....which is indicative both in the way the gamer/competitor is expressing himself and is also indicative in Rape itself.... it is also about the culture of sexism and promulgating it through casual usage of the terms.

To cut it short, it is the casual use of the term Rape that is the issue, not the intent itself. The articles I referenced explain this more fully.

And besides Your counter of an alternative meaning doesn't impact it's associations and why people have concerns over its casual use, as it is obvious that they are using it in a different context and therefore its meaning is different, but it is how we associate the word that is what people are concerned about and that is the point I seem unable to get across to you.
 
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Castiel said:
I have explained this in the post above, and it needs no repeating. The associations are the point I was making, that I did not list them all or treat each one individually is irrelevant as I explained above. Your counter of an alternative meaning doesn't impact it's associations and why people have concerns over its casual use and that is the point I seem unable to get across to you.
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You're talking crap mate. Only one of the associations are even remotely relevant and you completely missed it as did everyone else in their first post against using the word. Have a good one either way but this is why I don't debate with you.
 
aln said:
You're talking crap mate. Only one of the associations are even remotely relevant and you completely missed it as did everyone else in their first post against using the word. Have a good one either way but this is why I don't debate with you.
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That is your opinion and you are entitled to it. I disagree that only one of the associations is relevant...however as you seem to be now saying there is some relevance that validates the point I was making.

Anyway I expanded a little to try to clarify some more and that is all I have to say on the matter as we seem to be repeating ourselves somewhat, I'm sorry to hear you don't like debating with me, I wish you a good night now as I am going to bed. :)
 
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!Sargent_Mango! said:
what a bunch of over sensitive fairies the people of this country are becoming.

Lads stuff at uni is supposed to happen. Its young people having fun and finding out who they are.

So everyone should change because of one oversensitive mental case? Do me a favour..

I'm sick of the whining minority in this country getting favourable treatment all the time.

Lifes tough. A few drunk rugger lads called you ugly on a night out?! BOOHOO.

What a pathetic, spineless nation of cretins we are becoming. The older generation should know better than to pander to this utter nonsense.

Almost as bad as fat people complaining people call them fat, or won't employ them because they are sickeningly flabby.
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Wow, what tough, macho talk. :rolleyes: You're missing the point in it's entirety; which is that the wrong attitudes and behaviours seem to be not only endemic, but brazenly prevalent in society, even in trivial social settings. It IS wrong.
Lad culture is repugnant. It definitely should have no place at University. I'm sick of idiots claiming that University is a place to go to have fun.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
The problem is that rape is a serious thing and by using it in a gaming context you are trivialising the word. That is simply inappropriate.
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Same goes for the word murder.
I hate to hear kids speaking of raping the other team.
It seems much more common post counterstrike era than before it.

I don't think this is a good thing.
 
Efour said:
I think these cases are extremes and far from the norm...
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That depends on what you mean by the norm. Is it the norm for any given man to behave like that? No. Is it the norm the women to encounter behaviour like this on a night out in any student union in the country? Yes, it is. It doesn't take a very large proportion of the student body to behave badly to make it the case that you're likely to encounter it.
 
Knocking one out on a busy tube over some woman is not normal in any dfinition of the word.
I do not think it is typical or standard behaviour, and cant be that common.
 
Haven't seen much of similar to be honest. Our rugby team got banned, but not for sexist or homophobic acts. They dressed up as nazis and ruined a hotel.

Women dressing up nicely shouldn't garner them attention or seem like they're 'asking' for sex because of what they're wearing.

That said, oddly from what I've heard from female friends, they've never had issues being griped on student only nights, and tend to actually find its the older men who are groping them when they're on a night out.

I have to admit, I do believe there is some level of fun and jokes between friends that is acceptable. Significantly however it should be between friends, and understood its meant in jest and as a laugh. Shouting or groping some random person isn't really acceptable. The real issue is that it's very hard to draw the line between acceptable and what might cause offence, especially as some women will be fine with some jokes that others would not.

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What happens when this type of behaviour happens to a guy and how seriously is it taken, im guessing it isn't taken half as serious.

Thing is when some women recieve this type of behaviour (in bars/clubs) from guys it's creepy/harassment when the guys ugly but any guy they find attractive sometimes gets a free pass on this type of behaviour.
 
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Hikari Kisugi said:
Same goes for the word murder.
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Quite. I've never quite understood why many think murder is LESS serious than rape. It's very bizarre - murder is perhaps one of the worst possible crimes. Once you murder somebody, thats it. They are gone. They will never, ever come back from it.
 
With respect to the murder/rape debate, in some cases taking offense is a choice and not one based upon reason or logic. It's not an exaggeration to say that where I came from in Northern Ireland the c word was viewed as a mild swear word. God did I find out the hard way when I came to England for Uni!

On the point of sexism, harassment, rape and discrimination have no part in a civilised society but the sooner we start to recognise that men and women are not equal the more fair society will become.
 
Philtor said:
I wish women would be more frisky and grope men. It works both ways lol!
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They are... But that's rarely reported. Unfortunately some people on both sides are *****, be it male or female... The main difference being men usually just shrug it off whereas women can find it hard to do so.

If you really want frisky girls wear a superhero costume and mask, then you can spend the evening having girls try and stick their tongues into the mouth hole without your consent... If it was the other wy round the would be uproar. It also seems pretty standard for girls to pinch/slap bums in clubs as well...

On the other side of the coin going out with a mixed group you cans pens a lot of the time helping the girls get away from drunk "lads" (read *****) who think they are awesome...

As for the discussion of the usage of the word rape, language changes and evolves. Like many words it has now been taken into other contexts, like several swear words. That doesn't mean when it is used in its proper context it has any less meaning. Different generation, different meanings. For example the he word "moist" (I assume it isn't in the swear filter here...) makes many, many young people I know cringe, yet many are quite happy to day the c word all day long.

Edit: when I day girls pinching, I generally mean middle aged women. Much like mentioned above student nights were much better than mixed nights where you had the locals and older people in the clubs. Same with violence though, very little on student only nights, much more on mixed nights.
 
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Burnsy2023 said:
That is probably a good summary of my problem. It is socially acceptable for a specific culture (that's not really limited to age), and IMO it shouldn't be.
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This is the crux of the issue. You don't 'rape' other teams at pub quizzes or your granny at Pictionary, but it's apparently OK when playing shooters or other competitive video games. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that the reason for this is that gaming 'culture' is dominated by young(er) men, who can be fairly certain that they will never fall victim to a serious sexual assault, so the word doesn't carry any weight with them. They could not care less about how a woman playing a game might feel when she is told 'I raped u bitch, hell yeah, suck on it.'
 
Moses said:
there are fewer peasants at real universities.
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I've never actually seen any of the behaviour described in the OP. I've heard of some stories but to be fair I think they're more myths created by drunk lads trying to tell a coolstorybro to their mates.

It would sadden me a lot if this type of behaviour (as described in the OP- wanton sexual assault) is as prevalent as it is being made out to be. Certainly if I caught my friends doing it I'd be most displeased and would probably tell them off.
 
Nothing wrong whatsoever using the word rape.

"the wanton destruction or spoiling of a place:"

Too many people with hurt feelings if you ask me. If someone says something you dont like, ignore them, don't get all upset about it.
 
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