Pc graphics. No where near as good as consoles !

[Witcher1979]

Of course it does.

I am just imagining that my soundcard drivers have just inexplicably failed, and after trying several things, that I had to uninstall them all and put them all back on again. And surely the fact that everytime my PC boots up since then, disk checker insists on checking my C drive when I know there is fk all wrong with it.

The 1 hour of my life that I have lost doing this is just in my imagination. As will the rest of the time be that I waste on further sorting out this problem that is only in my imagination anyway.

Afterall, these days everything just kinda works.

Think that is just you m8, think you need to learn how to use stuff maybe? My soundcard driver has not failed once in 2 years let alone any other driver I have installed, and believe me I have a lot. In this day and age everything just works

 

[MatTheCat]

Think that is just you m8, think you need to learn how to use stuff maybe? My soundcard driver has not failed once in 2 years let alone any other driver I have installed, and believe me I have a lot. In this day and age everything just works

Grow up.

 

[spoffle]

He's just butthurt that he can't build a decent computer. PEBKAC and all that.

 

[ChrisJSY]

Having a high end gaming rig isn't just about the disproportionate amount of money that is regularly spent on it (as opposed to a one off 300 quid payment that keeps u good for the next 7-8 years), but the amount of time that it swallows up simply maintaining it, squeezing out that little bit extra power, getting games running optimally, and ironing out the endless conflicts and compatibilty issues. If I had a regular 9-5 job or any kind of real responsibilities, then there is no way could I justify my OCD PC gaming habit. Like I said, PC gamers are a special breed.

This plus your steam/origin issues post makes me side towards the idea that you're problems stem from either a lot of bad luck or you don't know what you're doing at all.
My last PC without touching it to upgrade was 3.5 years, until I changed the graphics card because the last died. It's not just about gaming on a PC, I have zero issues with drivers and I've never been able to not play a game because of issues.

 

[Spud21]

Why on earth does anyone care? As long as you're happy with what you're playing on, is it really an issue?

Exactly.

To be honest if the PS4 had a 50Ghz cpu and a tonne of ram i couldn't give a monkeys, the games are what make a system (be it pc or console) and the PS3 dissapointed me massively, The exclusives are poor for me, GT has been eclipsed by Forza, and Pcars makes them both look like crap anyway. don't like god of war type games, got bored of Uncharted quite quickly.

MGS is the only franchise i'd be interested in for the PS4, as we all know that COD, BF etc, etc will be the same game as they have been for the past 5 years + anyway, now if they bring out a proper MGS game, i will be all over that like flies on turd but i can't get excited at all about the Ps4 launch, which is far more excited than i am about the xbox launch, which looks cack.

The graphics debate is fairly moot, as console and pc do it in completely different ways, yes the PS4 has some monster power behind it, but it will still be stuck at 30fps, which for a lot of seasoned pc gamers is just horrible, there will still be no AA etc, etc, and you will also be stuck at a lower resolution than most Pc gamers are already playing at, so it's not going to be here or there, a gaming rig that can run ARMA III at 60fps, is simply not going to struggle with a launch PS4 title, as lets face it there is nothing that is so badly optimized that it requires just pure grunt to make it work as an ARMA game, let alone an alpha

This debate actually makes me sad, as the more i read about the PS4 and it's power, the more i read about the games and the less and less i care at all about all this power as they may as well just re-launch the PS3 and xbox 360 as the games are still the same, just with updated graphics, unless something drastic changes i'm for the first time since i started playing consoles with the N64 gen, not going to be going anywhere near a console around launch time

 

[Ksanti]

Pcars makes them both look like crap anyway.

Have you actually /driven/ Project CARS? There are about 2 cars at the moment that handle at anything approaching realism which is very worrying because it shows a poor underlying physics model that they then have to override to make cars handle realistically as opposed to something like iracing where the physics engine is pretty much identical for every car with the parameters that change being the actual changes within the cars, so all they need to do to get a decent simulation out of it is plug in the various relevant stats of the real life car.

I came from Forza but the physics engine is still very worrying, mainly for me because of the way oversteer is modeled, consequently how rubbish drifting is and then the questions that those issues raise with the quality of the rest of the physics engine when it doesn't perform as a sandbox - something that any sim really needs to do.

 

[RedStarRiot]

Of course it does.

I am just imagining that my soundcard drivers have just inexplicably failed, and after trying several things, that I had to uninstall them all and put them all back on again. And surely the fact that everytime my PC boots up since then, disk checker insists on checking my C drive when I know there is fk all wrong with it.

The 1 hour of my life that I have lost doing this is just in my imagination. As will the rest of the time be that I waste on further sorting out this problem that is only in my imagination anyway.

Afterall, these days everything just kinda works.

To be honest I just switch pc on and it boots up in around 30 secs, launch steam and select a game. Have a choice of screens and controller or keyboard. It's all very simple and straight forward. Steam/origin handles patches and so on and it's been a while since graphics drivers caused me any grief.

PC gaming is pretty straight forward but it is perhaps maybe not for you by the sounds of things.

I am looking forward to the PS4 however and have the money ready for release!

 

[MatTheCat]

To be honest I just switch pc on and it boots up in around 30 secs, launch steam and select a game. Have a choice of screens and controller or keyboard. It's all very simple and straight forward. Steam/origin handles patches and so on and it's been a while since graphics drivers caused me any grief.

PC gaming is pretty straight forward but it is perhaps maybe not for you by the sounds of things.

I am looking forward to the PS4 however and have the money ready for release!

Do you have a Radeon Card? Use RadeonPro? Notice how it just inexplicably stopped working after a certain Origin update and that BF3 wouldn't launch if RadeonPro was even so much as loaded?

Probably you had Rivatuner installed as well to get access to the D3d overdrive feature in addition to other stuff as well? Did you notice how one day, again with rigin, that BF3 simply stopped lanuching. It would not launch unless Rivatuner was completely removed from computer. Strange how no other games were affected......perhaps it wa a punkbuster issue...PUNKBUSTER!? Bleedin Punkbuster. And how many times have you discovered that a game dont work right cos punkbuster been updated/ is flawed/ sucks etc etc.

All the above are issues I have had in the past coupld of months and identifying them takes time. A lot of time.

Last night, instead of playing Divinity 2, I spent 3 hours of my life with an inexplicable sound driver issue. In the end, I had to remove all the drivers from my computer and start again. But guess what, the drivers on the disk result in my Creative X-Fi 'not being identified'. The 'product identification tool' for W7 users on Creative's website..DOESNT WORK. The updated drivers on creative website do work, but the updated Creative Console Launcher (user interface for sound settings) doesn't work. I have lost 3 hours of my life, to this issue. It is still far from being fixed and will probably cost me a bit of money as I am tempted just to ditch the sound card and never touch Creative ever again........

.......all hugely aggravating but tbh, not an uncommon experience to have with a gaming PC....yet when I mention this, a big load of worms come out the woodwork to tell me that they NEVER have any problems (in stark contrast to just about everyone I know) and that the problem is all to do with me NOT KNOWING how to build a PC properly etc etc blah blah blah.

...very harrowing.

 

[V4NT0M]

Man, your PC life sounds like a nightmare lol

Also... 720p 30fps... Please NO! Come the **** on!

A solid 30FPS is not terrible on console tbh, using a controller softens the blow, but 720p... I guess maybe it's a market penetration question... What is the actual percentage of people who have SD/HD, what is the percentage of those that have 1080p sets...

Who knows, it's pointless making a game look worse so it runs perfectly in 1080p if only 2% of your target demographic will run it in that resolution...

But this is just me spit balling, I have no idea about any numbers.

 

[Divinious]

not an uncommon experience to have with a gaming PC....yet when I mention this, a big load of worms come out the woodwork to tell me that they NEVER have any problems

So people that don't have the problems you have should remain silent?
I've never had as many problems with a single machine as you mention, I've had problems like you describe but over the whole course of my life as a PC gamer & many different builds, the wealth of different components does lead to problems but if I had experienced all you list in one machine I'd be thinking I should have done more homework before I did a build.
Sorry to be one of the worms you speak of but it's just that I've had a very different experience than you.

 

[arknor]

Have you actually /driven/ Project CARS? There are about 2 cars at the moment that handle at anything approaching realism which is very worrying because it shows a poor underlying physics model that they then have to override to make cars handle realistically as opposed to something like iracing where the physics engine is pretty much identical for every car with the parameters that change being the actual changes within the cars, so all they need to do to get a decent simulation out of it is plug in the various relevant stats of the real life car.

I came from Forza but the physics engine is still very worrying, mainly for me because of the way oversteer is modeled, consequently how rubbish drifting is and then the questions that those issues raise with the quality of the rest of the physics engine when it doesn't perform as a sandbox - something that any sim really needs to do.

you believe that because you only ever get to see the final product with the majority of games.

your crazy if you think everything in iracing just works as soon as they add it.

even now iracing still has that thing where you recover from a spin and carry on driving by smashing the brake and accelerator at the same time and the cars feel like they are driving on ice, hardly realistic

incase you don't know what I'm talking about

best physics ever they just work! amazing it's like real life

 

[MatTheCat]

So people that don't have the problems you have should remain silent?
I've never had as many problems with a single machine as you mention, I've had problems like you describe but over the whole course of my life as a PC gamer & many different builds, the wealth of different components does lead to problems but if I had experienced all you list in one machine I'd be thinking I should have done more homework before I did a build.
Sorry to be one of the worms you speak of but it's just that I've had a very different experience than you.

Clearly don't know what you are talking about.

When I built my computer, everything worked perfectly. It is when companies whose products I use start changing things about and start 'updating' thier proprietary platforms or in Creative's case, simply don't care about there legacy hardware, that problems arise.

For example, I have ALWAYS used Rivatuner. ALWAYS. So whose fault is it that one day out of the blue, I can't get BF3 to launch unless I completely REMOVE Rivatuner from my PC?

My fault or EA's fault?

I turned off my PC, walked dogs, and when I re-booted, my sound didn't work. Then either the Creative software, thier drivers, or both, fail to install properly. Whose fault is this?

My fault or Creative's?

(After a total of 4 hours of headache time, I have my PC sound fully functioning again. I had to download 3rd party modded drivers)

I already had a warning for giving other members abuse, but seriously.....take a walk.

 

[Witcher1979]

Jesus you spend all your life fixing your faults as you have no idea what you are doing let the rest of us who KNOW what we are doing spend our time actually playing, you should try it sometime it is quite fun.

 

[arknor]

Jesus you spend all your life fixing your faults as you have no idea what you are doing let the rest of us who KNOW what we are doing spend our time actually playing, you should try it sometime it is quite fun.

There is clearly something wrong with his pc if windows want's to scan C: on bootup everytime.
yet he claims it's fine..
probably messing about with settings he doesn't understand and messed something up with all of his "ocing" and "tweaking"
My last pc lasted me about 4 years and I formatted once, my current pc has lasted me about 3 years with minimal upgrades and 0 formats

His sound probably disapeared because something corrupted the files, oc'ed ram to much? oc'ed cpu to much? , the HDD is slowly failing and corrupting some parts of the drive?

 

[TwsT]

I know that PS3/Xbox cant compare to the high res, AA etc of a modern day PC, but they do very well to squeeze what they can over the course of 7 years....albeit with lower res and lower FPS etc.

Uncharted is a good example as mentioned above...which is the only console game i've played in the last 4 or so years and couldnt believe how good it looked on my old dusty PS3.

I'd be interested to see how the 8800 GTX fairs in Crysis 3?

Aside of that they are all great gaming platforms that each have their own benefits....I will always be primarily a PC gamer, as I love the customisation and having the best IQ I can afford.

skyrim is a pile of poop on the eggbox though.

 

[NirK]

Modded Skyrim on PC vs Xbox Skyrim is quite literally laughable

Yes consoles are more noob proof than PC and have less issues.... TBH you get the occasional issue on PC and ports are not always the best.... But unless you are completely clueless it usually takes 5 mins to fix and then you can get on with the gaming experience which is lets face it, night and day better than consoles.

Maybe you should do some reading on PC diagnostics or something if problems with punkbuster and sound drivers are taking tou "3 hours" to fix? It should take maybe 20 mins max to fix something like that.

 

[Divinious]

Clearly don't know what you are talking about.QUOTE]
You clearly don't know what you are doing or how to talk to people, so why don't you just give up get yourself a console! PC gaming is obviously something you are to intellectually challenged to undertake but hey it's been nice talking.

 

[NirK]

Is it confirmed now that PS4 will run at 720p / 30FPS?

If that is the case then wow that is rubbish.... That is all interest I had in the PS4 out the window.

However if the PS4 is running at that res and FPS than that means that PC graphics will change dramatically when the PS4 games come out because at that FPS and resolution I expect the PS4 will be able to do some impressive games and when these are running at PC res with AA and AF you will be needing a pretty powefull PC.

 

[Divinious]

Is it confirmed now that PS4 will run at 720p / 30FPS?

It does not ring true for me, I could swear I read 1080p would be standard.

 

[NirK]

8gb of gddr5 @720p does seem a bit silly

Needs to be 1080p 60fps or it will be crap.