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Nvidia pricing is a joke?
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Why would I want to look up something I know?
Your point?
GPUs are a luxury, not a necessity, a luxury.
High end, day-0 brand new release cards are the supercars of the GPU world. They will attract a premium, they will sell.
I have enough disposable income to buy whatever hardware I want, and I will not buy a GTX780 or Titan or 7990 or ARES card either. Why? Because I do not want to. If I wanted it, I would sell my 680 and buy a 780, at launch day pricing.
The point is that irrespective of price I do not want nor need a 780. If it was cheaper than my 680 I would obviously blatantly sell up and buy one...because it represented a gain for zero outlay. If It was £450 I would not buy one, if it was £350....I would still struggle to justify it.
The point is GPUs are not priced to be accessible to all, and pricing alone does not dictate accessibility either. The post you have linked talks about someone who has disposable income but is not an enthusiast. Most people could probably buy a 780 at launch prices, keep it an extra few years, not buy every single new release and realise the money back all the same as a discounted launch price.
The absolute joke of this is that most people who call the prices "Insane" would STILL not buy the card even if it was significantly cheaper.
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Your making far to many assumptions, gregster, you have no idea what peoples incomes are around here, just because they are unwilling to spend ridicules money on such products is not to say they don't have that money a thousand times over to set light to if they so wished.
Some people plain and simply take offence to being ripped off.
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I don't think the pricing is a joke.
1. AMD not released their next gen cards yet. AMD usually charge more then drop their prices don't they when NVidia do usually release their cards months later? Nvidia cards usually more expensive and they seem to have the market at the moment (new products now released even after Titan and before AMD release something)
2. Most consumers are going to say the pricing is a joke but of course most of us want to pay as little as possible for most things. However, if we all ran a business we might think differently.
3. From a business view Nvidia like any company needs to make a profit. THeir shareprice is not exactly through the roof so the products are maybe not as overpriced as we think ,or the market for the product is rather niche (small) hence a larger profit per item has to be made, or other parts of the Nvidia business need to be supported by the graphics cards sales. Either way, the products I'm sure are priced sufficiently high enough to make a profit and sufficiently low enough for enough people to buy. So there's no problem.
I hate people whinging about the cost of non-essential items. If people can't afford to buy or justify it, don't buy, simple
. If a lot of people don't buy then prices either come down or company goes bust, or stops making the product. Which do we prefer?
We don't have to have the latest and greatest to be able to play games.
1. AMD not released their next gen cards yet. AMD usually charge more then drop their prices don't they when NVidia do usually release their cards months later? Nvidia cards usually more expensive and they seem to have the market at the moment (new products now released even after Titan and before AMD release something)
2. Most consumers are going to say the pricing is a joke but of course most of us want to pay as little as possible for most things. However, if we all ran a business we might think differently.
3. From a business view Nvidia like any company needs to make a profit. THeir shareprice is not exactly through the roof so the products are maybe not as overpriced as we think ,or the market for the product is rather niche (small) hence a larger profit per item has to be made, or other parts of the Nvidia business need to be supported by the graphics cards sales. Either way, the products I'm sure are priced sufficiently high enough to make a profit and sufficiently low enough for enough people to buy. So there's no problem.
I hate people whinging about the cost of non-essential items. If people can't afford to buy or justify it, don't buy, simple
. If a lot of people don't buy then prices either come down or company goes bust, or stops making the product. Which do we prefer? We don't have to have the latest and greatest to be able to play games.
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Spoffle, correct that post please.
Also Humbug, if you are going to quote me, use the whole post and make sure it is mine
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We are comparing the value of one luxury item to another luxury item, and based on that comparison GTX780 and Titan are overvalued. We are not comparing the price of bread to GPUs, but GPUs to GPUs. Thus the comparison is valid and relevant and the, "it's a luxury item" argument is moot.
I think they are overpriced both the gtx780 and the titan but at the end of the day if you want and you can afford the best why not its your money.
The last brand new card i bought was the hd5970 and after that i waited for cards on mm and saved £££.
gtx580,gtx680 and the gtx690,i dont mind waiting a few months untill there up for sale but as it stands know i have the fastest card from nvidia and happy with it and i game @ 2560x1600.
The last brand new card i bought was the hd5970 and after that i waited for cards on mm and saved £££.
gtx580,gtx680 and the gtx690,i dont mind waiting a few months untill there up for sale but as it stands know i have the fastest card from nvidia and happy with it and i game @ 2560x1600.
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Gregster is a name and should be capitalised, jus'sayin
Something that does not have a pricing model, as such, cannot be deemed to be over priced. How do you define what a GPU is worth? How do you define what a launch day unmatched GPU is worth? (In it's target market and price?)
Seriously, what do you WANT to pay and what do you THINK is reasonable? And actually be reasonable. The same or less than a current retail GTX680 is not reasonable. We all know % performance increase is not linear with a £ price increase. If it was a 1:1 ratio then the cheapest GTX680 would yield a £448 GTX780 (~25% faster). The cheapest current GTX780 is £549.
So basically, from a 1:1 performance : price hike viewpoint the GTX780 is currently 'over priced' to the tune of £101.
£101 more for a product on launch day versus the previous card it replaces does not warrant a label of "insane pricing" or "overpriced" to me.
Seriously, what do you WANT to pay and what do you THINK is reasonable? And actually be reasonable. The same or less than a current retail GTX680 is not reasonable. We all know % performance increase is not linear with a £ price increase. If it was a 1:1 ratio then the cheapest GTX680 would yield a £448 GTX780 (~25% faster). The cheapest current GTX780 is £549.
So basically, from a 1:1 performance : price hike viewpoint the GTX780 is currently 'over priced' to the tune of £101.
£101 more for a product on launch day versus the previous card it replaces does not warrant a label of "insane pricing" or "overpriced" to me.
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I remember people saying that back in around 2001 over the price of fuel. Today the price has massively increased since then yet I see more cars than ever on the roads yet where are the rolling road blocks and strikes?. People have a bigger complaint over that(a necessity), than we do over non-essential gaming hardware.
If you and I are paying these prices, then the graphics cards obviously are an important part of our lives, so therefore not being ripped off? Price of fuel in our cars is probably 20% fuel cost and 80% tax yet we all still pay the price as it's kind of a necessity for most of us, or we don't go places
.I also like sports cars. They can be expensive too but is it a rip off buying a Porsche Caymen for £50k over buying a Ford mondeo for £20k? Both have four wheels, the Porsche is better quality and goes faster. Note that I have not done this, just giving an example. Porsche also make a bigger profit per car than Ford do on a Mondeo.
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My own personal limit is £300 unless in extreme cases, so I couldn't care less what NVidia think their cards are worth as they won't be getting me to buy anything like what the GTX780 costs.
I'm actually thinking of an upgrade at the moment but i'm in a right dilemma - the GTX670 fits my case, the HD7950 does not. The NVidia card is about the same in performance but £100+ more expensive.
I'm just not willing to pay it.
On a side note, won't the GTX570 and 580 cost the same to manufacture? It's the same chip, on the same PCB, same power circuitry, etc. - the amount of enabled pipes/ROPs/TMUs doesn't dictate what it cost to manufacture?
I'm actually thinking of an upgrade at the moment but i'm in a right dilemma - the GTX670 fits my case, the HD7950 does not. The NVidia card is about the same in performance but £100+ more expensive.
I'm just not willing to pay it.
On a side note, won't the GTX570 and 580 cost the same to manufacture? It's the same chip, on the same PCB, same power circuitry, etc. - the amount of enabled pipes/ROPs/TMUs doesn't dictate what it cost to manufacture?
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Ha fuel!
My friend only the other week was going on about how "cheap" fuel is getting (gone down like 10pence in a month or so) forgetting not so long ago it was 80-90pence a litre! (only been driving 7 years, forgive me
)Same with everything.
Apple 32GB product versus 64GB one. Small manufacturing cost difference, HUGE retail cost difference.
the entire argument is from something simple:
its 20% faster than the 7970 - for an increase in price of 85%.
that's the overpriced part that`s being argued
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