pc's already playing xbone games
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Because the developers and or / publishers are in some cases owned by the console companies and they want to give people a compelling reason to buy their hardware. Nothing makes people want to buy a new console more than a game they want, but can't buy elsewhere.
Other times its because the publisher has entered into a contract to provide the console manufacturer with an exclusive.
Why else do you think the PC game Planetside 2 is coming to the PS4 and not to the XBox one ? Because its published by Sony .....
The only thing that annoys me is the fact they used some brand new 700 series gpu instead of one that is more closer to the real power.
Although i suppose E3 is more about the games and not how well an unfinished console plays them.
Although i suppose E3 is more about the games and not how well an unfinished console plays them.
Thing is, the xbox OS will be based on windows 8 core, a bit like server 2008 core. The UI will be custom, and it won't need half of the bloat that windows 8 does to maintain compatability with all the myriad of components windows 8 does.
This is one of the reason's people banged their head against a wall when people moaned that the xbox one hardware spec wasn't going to compete with high end PC rigs and mocked those that called it "cutting edge"
Console hardware has always outperformed PC hardware because it doesn't have that bloat that a PC does. When you start running console games on a PC, you have to up the hardware levels far in excess of the spec of the console, to get that same level of performance with the bloat of running a windows based PC.
All this does is prove the point that console hardware always performs better on a spec for spec basis than on a PC. Plus these are unfinished, unoptimized games. So get the performance something like what it will be in 6 months time once they get to the retail version, they have to up the hardware to artificially get something to show everybody at E3.
This is one of the reason's people banged their head against a wall when people moaned that the xbox one hardware spec wasn't going to compete with high end PC rigs and mocked those that called it "cutting edge"
Console hardware has always outperformed PC hardware because it doesn't have that bloat that a PC does. When you start running console games on a PC, you have to up the hardware levels far in excess of the spec of the console, to get that same level of performance with the bloat of running a windows based PC.
All this does is prove the point that console hardware always performs better on a spec for spec basis than on a PC. Plus these are unfinished, unoptimized games. So get the performance something like what it will be in 6 months time once they get to the retail version, they have to up the hardware to artificially get something to show everybody at E3.
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There is a photo of people playing Killer Instinct on a load of Xbox Ones, so there were definitely some playable machines there.
This really is a non story though IMO. The gameplay will be representative of how it will look in the end (as if it's not, the gaming press will have a field day), but they probably ran it on a PC for stability issues. How bad would it have looked for MS if a game had crashed during the presentation?
what you mean like it did in the source article which is how they got the shot ? 
Although i take your point. I suspect the other reason is down to the number of dev units. I bet they didn't have enough to cover the number of playable booths on offer across E3.
Although i take your point. I suspect the other reason is down to the number of dev units. I bet they didn't have enough to cover the number of playable booths on offer across E3.
Slightly off topic, but the UK government do not use windows 7.... just saying
They are starting too (hmrc are especially)
They are starting too (hmrc are especially)
Yea some government departments do but the vast majority don't.
They will soon, there's a huge project underway as windows XP is out of support
They don't use XP either
but yea there are works for a system upgrade which will most likely be 7 They don't use XP either
They do within HMRC
I'm involved with AppSense which is part of the roll out between xp and 7.
Any ways, enough off topic
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There was no devkit/pc on show at E3, every "demo" of the Xbox had a X1 on display and seemingly all(if not most) were simply as most other tech shows at this stage, a box on show with a led powered with cables going under a table to a PC.
IT's bog standard for E3 and shows like it.
As for what PC they used, considering at the moment MS is producing PCs that are Nvidia and Intel compatible(Surface with tegras or Ivys ), MS's contract for a CONSOLE which is a different device, went to AMD. I wouldn't be surprised if most PCs at MS were intel/nvidia and whatever company they have a deal with, HP, Dell, whoever, provide them with PCs with Intel cpus and Nvidia gpus, thats just how life is. When they place an order for a PC it will be with whoever they have a contract to supply PCs from with whatever those guys are using, thats how business works.
Conversely, you could simply say that despite MS using PCs with Nvidia and Intel at MS headquarters.... they went AMD for their gaming console? Doesn't that actually say that when it comes to gaming we already work with Nvidia and Intel, but we went with AMD because they are better?
Can't you also spin it(if you should want to) that a pretty small AMD gpu in the region of a 7790/7870, is able to provide the same graphics a PC with sli 680gtx can achieve?
People see what they want, the most likely situation is that these PCs are heavily overspecced because they are emulating the X1 software/hardware and they are using the PC's they have to run them.
A good question is, if the X1 isn't available till November, is there a single reason the console should be.... in final working state, have loads available, have the OS finished, etc, etc, etc? if the OS and hardware aren't finished by November 21st(is that the date?) then MS are in trouble, if its not ready now..... so what? You can be almost certain that the E3 before the 360 launched had devkits doing the demos, didn't have the OS/hardware absolutely 100% sorted and ready to go, and yet it shipped with a OS and hardware and we had a working console.
What becomes a different matter is, if on November the 21st they can't provide what they showed at E3, same graphics, same performance, same snappy feel of the OS. I genuinely liked what they were doing with more than one app on screen at time, flicking in and out of game and playing with two tv channels, one on smartglass one on tv.... much of that isn't relevant(because of it being the NFL stuff, and me living in the UK and almost certainly not paying for sky IF sky has the same functionality) but I liked the way it worked. If its suddenly laggy, or poorer quality, or buggy on release, that is an entirely different matter.
Devkits or PCs being used to show games at E3 is NOT an issue, it will only potentially become an issue if they can't deliver exactly the same as was shown on the final shipping product, till then, get over it people.
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I'd like to point out that Xbox One is exactly that, minus the extra power part. What overheads are you talking about?
You're kidding yourself if youthink they are just going to put the same copy of windows 8 on the xbox that they have on the PC.
It will be based upon a stripped down windows 8 core, a bit like server 2012 core, but with a custom UI.
It won't need half the code that the normal widnows 8 does to support the myriad of devices it does. Its only ever going to run on one graphics card, one sound card, one processor, one motherboard etc.. so everything related to supporting anything other than this spec can be binned, and we're talking fundamental changes to the core here, not just un-installing some device drivers.
Console hardware has always outperformed PC hardware spec for spec due to not having to be a PC, despite it being based on X86 / X64 architecture.
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I think you're exaggerating the actual impact of the system the platform is running on. The performance difference is definitely there, but it's more to do with the way the games are coded and optimised for a single platform. On top of that, you have developers who stick to certain standards, unlike on PC, which is an open platform.
Besides, the performance difference isn't that dissimilar once you take into account the added benefits of a unified architecture and the actual settings the console games run at.
Besides, the performance difference isn't that dissimilar once you take into account the added benefits of a unified architecture and the actual settings the console games run at.
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Then next time I'd suggest you read more of the thread before commenting.
You probably should have read more of the thread then
nahhhhh
I'm fine with my rash opinion and going to stick to it xD it's kinda my same feeling towards when games release trailers which are all CGI and no gameplay. all razzle dazzle but not actually showing what you are paying for/expecting
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