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[Gerard]

Hope to god that they have nerfed the aircraft big time!

Stupidly over powered in BF3 and what's even more annoying is that there is nothing you can do when your team don't help to take them down at all, stingers are virtually useless, only good way of dealing with them is with tanks shells...... and then when the jets take any damage at all, they just fly way of and wait for regen or use the fire extinguisher......

One of the main reasons that I avoid aircraft based maps now, especially ones where you have hardly any cover i.e. wake island.

I miss my AT4 from BC 2, helis in BF 3 wouldn't stand a chance if I had that!


And yup no doubt that will happen if what you said is true, the jet, heli whores who spend their entire game play time in the aircraft will cry and cry when/if they get shot down too easily and DICE will go and do their usual balance tweak i.e. buff it to the other end of the stick and then be op again......

Its got to the point in BF3 where tanks are literally mobile coffins, trundling along then getting slapped from different angles by rocket pods. There's literally **** all you can do to defend against that, sure you can maybe pop smoke and dive for cover but by the time you do and start to repair they're already swooping around again to finish you off.

 

[Nexus18]

Indeed

And if it isn't the jet, it is either:

- at least 2 javelins locking on to you and maybe a guy or two with a SMAW/RPG
- TV missile from heli combined with their rocket pods AND main cannon

+ having to deal with the enemy tanks

Wake island is terrible for this, no cover at all, was playing that map earlier and just had to stay in the aircraft hanger........

But as usual, if your team etc. don't do anything to try and take a tank down then it will just rape as well (very rare that though as you have a lot of engineers running around generally)

My favourite way of dealing with a tank when no one else helps is jihad jeep, quickest and easiest way!

EDIT:

It really does annoy me that DICE seem to have addressed the main complaints of BF 3 in BF 4 when they could have easily done it via a patch in BF 3 i.e. giving recon the C4, reducing suppression (how many people begged for them to remove that????????), commander mode etc. instead all they did most of the time was tweak weapons non stop when there was no need to for most of them

 

[dmferrett]

It really does annoy me that DICE seem to have addressed the main complaints of BF 3 in BF 4 when they could have easily done it via a patch in BF 3 i.e. giving recon the C4, reducing suppression (how many people begged for them to remove that????????), commander mode etc. instead all they did most of the time was tweak weapons non stop when there was no need to for most of them

I think you are probably quite correct with that assumption.

With regard to suppression in my case It plays to my advantage as I'm 60% support and 35% assault. 5% recon!! So a 200 round belt fed Lsat,M249,M60 really does um um Suppress!!

But the focuss has shifted to China and after studying the game video releases carefully many many times, they really have reworked the peripheal effects smoke, projectiles, glass and water, commander and spectator mode plus rendering has jumped up a notch over BF3. The first, Third and camera views and unbelievably smooth and plush..(I hate to think what GPU can pan and render that fast and smooth, it sure as hell isn't a single Titan or AMD).

The other thing is that if EA just released 4 maps at £11 for each DLC, and assuming BF4 has 8 core maps and the China Rising freebie for preorders there would be 12 maps if we are lucky, this equates to approximately £33 in DLC's. (They wouldn't then give us the china rising for free as its an incentive to pre order).

GMG are selling this game for £29.99p with free expansion pack.

So I agree the technology was there in 2011 for commander, spectator and all the other omssions but the game was so far ahead of its time (IMO) that they just released BF3 Vanilla as we now know it. The other thing is that back in 2011 i had a 5870 and it struggled to play this game at 60fps so maybe the hardware limitations and driver issues also played a part back then for things be left out (Speculation).

So your right but was there a fundermental reason!!! Who knows!!!

Just my opinion of course

 

[mp260767]

yeah but 1 or 2 per day you don't understand ?

what can i say, i'll always been a bit unlucky, but bf3 has given me a complex

oh go on, what happened with the heli


something that happened for the first time in ages the other night, wondering if anyone has spotted it in bf4.

you go to spawn on a squad mate, but he dies and you end up spawning in base, any chance they changed it so you can select another squad mate ?

 

[SpudMaster]

what can i say, i'll always been a bit unlucky, but bf3 has given me a complex

oh go on, what happened with the heli


something that happened for the first time in ages the other night, wondering if anyone has spotted it in bf4.

you go to spawn on a squad mate, but he dies and you end up spawning in base, any chance they changed it so you can select another squad mate ?

Not had that happen to me yet in the alpha so can't comment but hopefully they let you choose again. Gonna try spawning on squad mates under fire tonight

 

[Gerard]

From the e3 stream. Even the jeep seems to take quite a few main cannon shells to go down. Also not sure what that weird smoke effect is popping over the tank occasionally, almost looks like flares from a passing helicopter but obviously isn't.

 

[RedDanDoc]

Also not sure what that weird smoke effect is popping over the tank occasionally.

When somebody locks onto you there is a button you can press which is the X key on your keyboard. When you press this key a magical thing happens and that is smoke will issue forth from your Tank covering your heat signature thus breaking the lock.

 

[Gerard]

When somebody locks onto you there is a button you can press which is the X key on your keyboard. When you press this key a magical thing happens and that is smoke will issue forth from your Tank covering your heat signature thus breaking the lock.

Doesn't look much like a smoke screen to me, just looks like a few random puffs shooting out. Certainly not anywhere near what it was in bf3. And considering the smoke is an unlock in bf3 and he just gets to rank 1 in this video I doubt very much that's what it is. It'll still be an unlocks like it is in Bf3.

You obviously haven't watched the video to see what I mean, there's nothing locking onto him when it happens, it looks more like environmental effects with buildings taking damage from the looks of it. You can see it occur at around 2:38 over the top of the tank.

 

[RedDanDoc]

You obviously haven't watched the video to see what I mean, there's nothing locking onto him when it happens

I have watched the video and have been partaking in the Alpha so I know very well what it is.

Cant really say much as I don't think i am allowed to discuss it outside of the official bf4 alpha discussion forum.

nice video by the way.

 

[Gerard]

I have watched the video and have been partaking in the Alpha so I know very well what it is.

Cant really say much as I don't think i am allowed to discuss it outside of the official bf4 alpha discussion forum.

Well as I said it looks nothing like a smoke screen, it looks more like random bits and pieces flying with some trails attached. Seems a bit dumb that they would remove the screen part of the smoke, helped you do a runner in some cases.

 

[RedDanDoc]

Well as I said it looks nothing like a smoke screen, it looks more like random bits and pieces flying with some trails attached. Seems a bit dumb that they would remove the screen part of the smoke, helped you do a runner in some cases.

I'm guessing that it's still a work in progress. Wouldn't be surprised if they release different kinds of smoke screen unlocks the way its going these days.

I miss the simplicity of BF2 sometimes.

 

[Gerard]

I'm guessing that it's still a work in progress. Wouldn't be surprised if they release different kinds of smoke screen unlocks the way its going these days.

I miss the simplicity of BF2 sometimes.

I miss the simplicity of BF1942, no lock on bs, no gimmicks, just fun

 

[ScarySquirrel]

I miss the simplicity of BF1942, no lock on bs, no gimmicks, just fun

I would LOVE for a remake!

 

[Murray]

I miss BF2142.

 

[MissChief]

I miss BF2142.

This.

 

[Nexus18]

Tank looks stupidly overpowered, could have sworn that he took at least 2-3 rockets (to the side and back) and still had about 80% health left, not to mention how he was just mowing everyone down in a heartbeat without even aiming that "well"....... just great And this is without any unlocks either??? (he only just reached rank 1 but had the LMG?? Is that standard now?? Or did DICE just add a few things to that alpha without having to unlock stuff through rank/kills??) Dread to imagine what they have done with the aircraft........... Well at least westie will be pleased

I think you are probably quite correct with that assumption.

With regard to suppression in my case It plays to my advantage as I'm 60% support and 35% assault. 5% recon!! So a 200 round belt fed Lsat,M249,M60 really does um um Suppress!!

But the focuss has shifted to China and after studying the game video releases carefully many many times, they really have reworked the peripheal effects smoke, projectiles, glass and water, commander and spectator mode plus rendering has jumped up a notch over BF3. The first, Third and camera views and unbelievably smooth and plush..(I hate to think what GPU can pan and render that fast and smooth, it sure as hell isn't a single Titan or AMD).

The other thing is that if EA just released 4 maps at £11 for each DLC, and assuming BF4 has 8 core maps and the China Rising freebie for preorders there would be 12 maps if we are lucky, this equates to approximately £33 in DLC's. (They wouldn't then give us the china rising for free as its an incentive to pre order).

GMG are selling this game for £29.99p with free expansion pack.

So I agree the technology was there in 2011 for commander, spectator and all the other omssions but the game was so far ahead of its time (IMO) that they just released BF3 Vanilla as we now know it. The other thing is that back in 2011 i had a 5870 and it struggled to play this game at 60fps so maybe the hardware limitations and driver issues also played a part back then for things be left out (Speculation).

So your right but was there a fundermental reason!!! Who knows!!!

Just my opinion of course

Suppression system is for people who can't aim!

Seriously it is probably the most annoying thing ever in a game! Sick and tired of having 1 bullet go past me and make my screen a blurry mess!

not to mention how it completely reduces your accuracy too......

It just punishes the people who can aim.

Have read mixed reports on it, people say it is completely removed and others have said it is still there, just reduced and it only happens when a bullet(s) hit a wall etc. near you, which I don't mind too much....


Suppose the suppression and other stuff regarding the tank balance etc. will be completely different in the final game anyway, lets just hope DICE can get it right first time rather than taking their usual 4-5 months to sort everything out via patches


Yeah I suppose you're right regarding your point about the DLC and price etc.

I miss the simplicity of BF1942, no lock on bs, no gimmicks, just fun

+1

Although for me it is about BC 2

It is a shame that DICE went down the road of throwing as much as possible into the game just because they can, personally I would remove half the stuff in BF 3 i.e. most of the stupid unlocks and reduce the number of slots for equipment, at the end of the day, how many people change their stuff for BF 3?? I would be willing to say (especially when you see their kit that they use, usually always the same stuff), not very many, I know for myself that once I have the usual stuff setup, that is me done i.e. m16 with foregrip and the red dot/kobra sight (same for every other gun pretty much) Plus it doesn't help when the UI is terrible.

 

[elmuzzy66.]

Nexus stop bigging up that turd thats bc2. Everything thats wrong with bf3 is bc2 fault by far. I would blame world hunger and war on it too, if i could

 

[Nexus18]

It may not have been a "true" battlefield game but at the end of the day, for me and a lot of other people (even the die hard battlefield 2, 2142 etc. clan that I played with thought it was better "overall" than BF 3) it was a lot more fun, which is most important to me.

There were quite a few things that were better than BF 3 imo i.e.

- destruction, not just how much could be destroyed, but how it looked as well, loved how the building shook and dust would come down just before it collapsed
- classes were better done i.e. recon had C4 and the motion ball, which is a lot cooler than T-ugs! (hence why DICE have given them back C4 in BF 4 and the motion ball iirc???)
- recon had ghille suit! Miss this a lot but then again with prone in BF 3, it was probably for the best that they left it out......
- maps may not have been proper BF maps i.e. tons of vehicles and massive, but imo the design was much better (at least compared to the vanilla, B2k and CQ maps), they weren't bland or boring looking and they all had a different feel
- much better vehicle and infantry balance
- no suppression
- UAV and At4!
- I also found there to be much more teamwork, not in terms of everyone sticking together and taking the coms but in terms of revive, getting health and ammo boxes
- less complicated/bloated unlock system "overall" and a better UI in terms of ease of use and quickness to select/do stuff
- no premium nonsense no battlelog, better choice of servers (I found anyway.....)

 

[Blackhawk47]

Do we know if there is a EOD bot in bf4 yet or not?

 

[Neil79]

Is there a controllable UAV?
What about the AT4?

Nexus stop bigging up that turd thats bc2. Everything thats wrong with bf3 is bc2 fault by far. I would blame world hunger and war on it too, if i could

Turd? GTFO

Nexus is spot on