Ballmer's off...

Wizzfizz said:
My head hurts every time Glaucus posts.
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Indeed. I like Windows 8 (and I haven't replaced the Modern UI with Start8 or anything), but it's almost like he feels compelled to defend it. Many Apple fanboys aren't this bad. It's cringeworthy.



I'm pleased Ballmer is stepping down. Microsoft did make a hash of Windows 8 (in my opinion they should have merged the desktop and tablet interface more, making the current desktop more interactive) and their various mobile attempts have been poor over the years.

Windows Phone is very good, and probably the best platform between it, Android & iOS, but it hasn't been pushed as well as it should have been, and it was far too late to the market.

Windows RT has been a disaster though. The Surface devices had the potential to deliver a Nexus-style kick to the market, but they've completely fluffed it by charging way too much, and as a result it seems Windows RT will die, and Microsoft will have to attempt another expensive foray into the mobile market. All they had to do was make a short term loss on the actual hardware and they likely would have reaped the reward in the long term. It was plain to see, is it not? Get market share—that's what matters when you're running your own store.
 
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When Joe Public buys a tablet, it should act like a consumer device. Fast, quick, easy

Windows 8 / RT

Joe buys his first windows tablet. Turns on. Trys to get the Sky News app

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gives up and reboots

Windows is Installing Update 2 of 39

WTF?

Waits for it to finish

Boots back up, gets the Sky News app

plays around with it, decides to do something which ends up causing some issue he can't fix. I know, quick factory reset

GULP! Oh no

waits AGES

boots back up

Trys to get the Sky News app

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gives up and reboots

Windows is Installing Update 2 of 39

WTF?

Can you imagine getting iOS 7 on an ipad. Then when you factory reset it goes back to iOS6. NO! That's because Windows tablets are more like computers than consumer devices. HENCE.....why they are not selling. This is 2013!!!! people just want fast and easy access these days (ON A TABLET)
 
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glen8 said:
No it's not....not at all

Windows 8 is like a phablet. The manufacturer tells you it's the best of a phone and the best of a tablet. You know it's the complete opposite. It's the worst of a tablet, and the worst of a phone. It's the same story with Windows 8. It's selling feature is to be great on the desktop and great on the tablet.

In actual fact, the tile interface is slow on a desktop, and the windows background processing is what makes it useless on a tablet.

from a business point of view it's a complete failure.

MS Ecosystem is way behind where it should be, PC sales are slowing and in 2014 it is predicted that tablets and phones will (for the first time) out sell PCs

RT isn't selling, and it's no wonder why. Why have the background issues with windows on a tablet...when you can't even run x86 apps on it?

Phone 8 isn't selling, again, no wonder why...ecosystem is VERY lacking

Steve Balmer needs to go and be replaced with someone who actually knows the tech industry in 2013

If I was in charge, I ditch RT and replace it will a new tablet/phone OS from the ground up. No windows background rubbish, just the metro interface sat in ROM.

Why on earth can I view the windowsupdate.log, or run DISM from command line on RT :confused: No wonder joe public isn't buying them.

The majority of businesses will stick with Windows 7 (I know windows 8 is six times less likely to get malware, and has all the great stuff for the enterprise) but at the end of the day most I think will sit this one out.

Unfortunately, it's another Vista

On a personal note, I run windows 8.1 and have owned four windows 8 tablet and a hybrid (dell xps 12). Whilst I will keep windows 8, I know for a fact in the outside world it's not selling. No matter what I think, if it's not brining money in the till it's failed.
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You didn't really argue my point, in-fact you even said Windows 8 as a full OS (I did not say Windows 8 RT) offers more than Windows 7 because of reduced malware and excellent enterprise integration.

My personal opinion is that Windows 8 has been mostly designed with enterprise adoption in mind because this is where Apple/Android massively fail. Windows 8/backend infrastructure, if configured properly, can offer seemless integration across devices. Now from an enterprise POV think about how awesome that is? Same user experience on my phone, tablet, laptop, VDI, whatever else I use regularly. The problem is adoption. Most of the big customers MS are interested in are not ready for Windows 7 let alone a huge change in Windows 8. Yet my first hand experience shows that the customers who do invest in Windows 8 are loving it, which is a shame because most business will probably skip this release.

RT - I don't know why but I agree. I imagine that again it's because Enterprise is in mind. Access to desktop/file system/tools/whatever is easier for administrators to troubleshoot. It's the same familiar Windows experience and means it can be managed in the same way. However for the average non-business user this isn't ideal, even my better half gets confused between desktop mode IE and "modern" IE.

Phone - Considering how bad Phone 6/7 were I think 8 is a promising start. It really is a simple phone UI to use and most people who switch seem to enjoy it. Now cheaper models are coming out let's see what happens.
 
Glaucus said:
He has done MS a hell of a loot of good, any transition period is hard. Look at any other company. The direction they are going is the correct direction. People will embrace win8, look at steam figures for a start.
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When Ballmer took over 10 years ago, Microsoft was worth $35 a share. Yesterday, it was $35 a share.

The market says Ballmer has failed to build any long term value in Microsoft and has only succeeded in maintaining old cash cows.
 
Hatter The Mad said:
When Ballmer took over 10 years ago, Microsoft was worth $35 a share. Yesterday, it was $35 a share.

The market says Ballmer has failed to build any long term value in Microsoft and has only succeeded in maintaining old cash cows.
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But he was instrumental in the recent changes, that is what MS should have done years ago, better late than never. Without him, I bet they wouldn't of changed so drastically, despite when the facts and figures are staring them in the face.

And I totally agree their issue is they only maintained the old and failed to read the market. Only coming in two years to late. That doesn't mean they can't break in to the market it's just harder and costs them more.
 
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Glaucus said:
You hardly give them a chance have you. Changes take time. It wasn't going to be instant.
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You're right, but the market tends to be better at gauging what is round the corner and the potential for success of things out today and in the pipeline. I expect that the market has factored in, fairly reliably, the next 5 years performance.
 
PAz said:
Spoken like someone who see's regularly first hand just how useful this OS can be in Enterprise.
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As I said then. I too know how little it's being rolled out across Enterprises, it has so far been a terrible launch. I'm not debating its merits, I am telling you it's not selling and that is all that matters. The fact that pockets of techies think it's great means sweet FA in business unless the pocket grows and people buy licences.
 
And how many enterprises ever switch over this early.theyve barely had time to test, let alone justify with in months of going to w7.
The ones which are switching have heavy dependency on mobile personnel and are seeing the strengths far more.
 
Glaucus said:
And how many enterprises ever switch over this early.theyve barely had time to test, let alone justify with in months of going to w7.
The ones which are switching have heavy dependency on mobile personnel and are seeing the strengths far more.
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Very few, but the adoption rates for Windows 8 across the market place are appalling at this stage compared to Windows 7. Its merits as an OS are utterly irrelevant if people aren't buying it and the same goes for their pad things and various other failed launches. That is why the board have helped him resign, they see the numbers not the tech, which is all quoted companies and their shareholders give a flying **** about. Techies will argue right and wrong all day, see this very thread, but business is based on sales and it isn't, like the slate thing, selling, fact.
 
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