Italian Grand Prix 2013, Monza - Race 12/19

Sparky-F1 said:
Nascar are faster as they dont have to negotiate a variety of bends, they are mainly set up for straight line speed on banked circuits. Would like to see how quickly a Nascar could lap Silverstone. Would be quite interesting comparison, there must be a video of this somewhere out there?
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F1 cars used to be faster with their V12 engines then Nascar so my point still stands.
 
So pinnacle for you is just straight line speed? Thought of watching drag racing? You'd like the tyres on there too :)
 
deuse said:
All that comes down to money and who has it, yes F1 is the pinnacle of motor sport for money
same as Nascar are faster than F1 cars, Le mans cars are the pinnacle of their sport.

F1 used to have the fastest cars and drivers in any motor sport now not so. On sunday after 6 laps we will hear "look after your tires" :(
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In what way is a NASCAR faster than a F1 car? Certainly not top speed as NASCAR restrict the engines on the faster ovals so they dont exceed 200mph any more. On a road course a Nascar would be lapped by a F1 car every few laps.
 
P3 Results

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[b]Pos Driver                Team                    Time        Gap    Laps[/b]
 1. Sebastian Vettel      Red Bull-Renault        1m24.360s          18
 2. Fernando Alonso       Ferrari                 1m24.643s  +0.283  13
 3. Mark Webber           Red Bull-Renault        1m24.677s  +0.317  22
 4. Lewis Hamilton        Mercedes                1m24.712s  +0.352  17
 5. Sergio Perez          McLaren-Mercedes        1m24.864s  +0.504  19
 6. Daniel Ricciardo      Toro Rosso-Ferrari      1m24.865s  +0.505  19
 7. Felipe Massa          Ferrari                 1m24.995s  +0.635  14
 8. Jenson Button         McLaren-Mercedes        1m25.103s  +0.743  15
 9. Pastor Maldonado      Williams-Renault        1m25.116s  +0.756  20
10. Kimi Raikkonen        Lotus-Renault           1m25.120s  +0.760  18
11. Jean-Eric Vergne      Toro Rosso-Ferrari      1m25.136s  +0.776  16
12. Nico Hulkenberg       Sauber-Ferrari          1m25.273s  +0.913  21
13. Esteban Gutierrez     Sauber-Ferrari          1m25.324s  +0.964  22
14. Romain Grosjean       Lotus-Renault           1m25.499s  +1.139  17
15. Valtteri Bottas       Williams-Renault        1m25.660s  +1.300  21
16. Adrian Sutil          Force India-Mercedes    1m25.702s  +1.342  19
17. Paul di Resta         Force India-Mercedes    1m26.120s  +1.760  11
18. Charles Pic           Caterham-Renault        1m26.607s  +2.247  21
19. Giedo van der Garde   Caterham-Renault        1m27.172s  +2.812  20
20. Jules Bianchi         Marussia-Cosworth       1m27.605s  +3.245  18
21. Max Chilton           Marussia-Cosworth       1m27.665s  +3.305  18
22. Nico Rosberg          Mercedes                1m27.822s  +3.462   5


Speed Trap results from P3

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Irish_Tom said:
I'm sure he is, it's nothing against him as a person.



To answer both points in one go:

Sport is about competiton. The entertainment of watching sport lies in the expectation and excitement from not knowing the outcome of that competiton.

If there's no competiton then it becomes predictable and boring. The longer this goes on for, the less entertaining it becomes for everyone except those that follow the team/person that is winning.

It's not about hatred or jealousy and it's certainly not personal.

Tennis is currently interesting because there's four guys at the top of the sport who all have the potential to win on any given day, a couple of others below them that have the potential to cause an upset and in recent years these guys have been trading Grand Slams amongst themselves.

At the moment in F1 there are four top guys who have the potential to win on any given day but for the last three years (soon to be four) only one of them has.

It's predictable, even inevitable and this isn't entertaining.
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It certainly comes across that way most of the time (not from you i'd like to add), but it also gets boring when people harp on about Vettel winning 'all the time' - people say last season was dull because Vettel won but we had SEVEN different winners in the first 7 races! At that point most people claimed the sport was becoming unpredictable and a joke. Someone wins more often and the rest and it's 'boring'. There appears to be no middle ground, from one end of the scale to the other everyone complains.

The tennis the other day was great, you've got Gasquet and Wawrinka in the semis who usually don't get that far. Rarely do you get a major upset in F1 so from the beginning of the season and we all know it's between 4 teams at the most, yet people complain about it. Why watch it when you know Di Resta or Gutierrez etc aren't going to win, but it'll always be Vettel/Webber/Alonso/Hamilton/Raikkonen. Vettel's just the target for this frustration because he wins a bit more than everyone else.
 
Ricciardo is going to be stuffed when it rains tomorrow, RBR is where you want to be on that chart, unless you're a back end team, then gamble for a full wet race set up.
 
Duke said:
So pinnacle for you is just straight line speed? Thought of watching drag racing? You'd like the tyres on there too :)
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To me if you want to be the pinnacle of any sport then you must be the best at everything not just something.
 
deuse said:
To me if you want to be the pinnacle of any sport then you must be the best at everything not just something.
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Racing is all about getting the fastest laptime possible, not just in a straight line. Being able to do that at circuits allover the world under varying conditions and with different track layouts is what makes F1 what it is. Drag racers are the fastest accelerating you can get, try setting a laptime around Monaco in one!
 
deuse said:
To me if you want to be the pinnacle of any sport then you must be the best at everything not just something.
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But it does! F1 cars are faster in a straight line than a Nascar too as I pointed out above.
In what way does the performance of a F1 car not better a NASCAR?
 
Sparky-F1 said:
Racing is all about getting the fastest laptime possible, not just in a straight line. Being able to do that at circuits allover the world under varying conditions and with different track layouts is what makes F1 what it is. Drag racers are the fastest accelerating you can get, try setting a laptime around Monaco in one!
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Who said any thing about all that? People are saying F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport and I think it isn't.
F1 used to be the top motor sport but not these days.
 
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