29 million Bulgarians and Romanians will gain the right to live and work unrestricted in our country

BuZ · 27 Dec 2013 at 02:35

Thread is totally pointless and misleading.

Delete please.

Frightful Boar · 27 Dec 2013 at 09:11

OnLY_WaY_MeffiN said:
The UK has yet to have a black prime minister as white people are seen as the elites in society. I mean look at America, it has taken over 220 years for a black to get into power. Our governments are racist to their core, what chance does the rest of the population have.

Haha "a black".

That's the most racist thing I've seen on this thread.

Forgetting that he's as white as he is black, it's often the people who shout about racism and aren't effected by it who are secretly the most racist.

bitslice · 27 Dec 2013 at 09:49

regulus said:
Look at his writing style, spelling and sentence construction.
He's always going to be from the class that 'hates' foreigners.

Surely this is one of those issues that surpass class boundarys?
It's trying to impose a line of acceptable of thinking onto others by pretending that to do otherwise is stupid. Isn't that just typical middle class liberal dogma?

BuZ said:
Thread is totally pointless and misleading.
Delete please.

It would appear that the posts which lack content and direction are yours. Why is thread censorship always the tactic chosen by one particular ideology?

OnLY_WaY_MeffiN · 27 Dec 2013 at 12:13

Frightful Boar said:
Haha "a black".

That's the most racist thing I've seen on this thread.

Forgetting that he's as white as he is black, it's often the people who shout about racism and aren't effected by it who are secretly the most racist.

Hypothetical situation you are mugged in the street by Mr Obama so you call the police (forget that Obama is president for the moment

) The officer asks you to describe the attacker, so you say a black male around 6ft wearing ect. Or would you say he is as white as he is black

Frightful Boar · 27 Dec 2013 at 12:29

OnLY_WaY_MeffiN said:
Hypothetical situation you are mugged in the street by Mr Obama so you call the police (forget that Obama is president for the moment) The officer asks you to describe the attacker, so you say a black male around 6ft wearing ect. Or would you say he is as white as he is black

Don't we have to say mixed race? That's what I would say. I'm quite sensitive about race.

regulus · 27 Dec 2013 at 12:38

BuZ said:
Thread is totally pointless and misleading.

Delete please.

Censor it because you don't agree with it?

Then leave the thread, you won't be missed.

robgmun · 27 Dec 2013 at 12:58

bitslice said:
Why is thread censorship always the tactic chosen by one particular ideology?

I tend to notice those who are liberal and left leaning tend to want to shut down and censor debate. It's disturbing and wrong on many levels (and quite hypocritical)

Frightful Boar · 27 Dec 2013 at 13:07

robgmun said:
I tend to notice those who are liberal and left leaning tend to want to shut down and censor debate. It's disturbing and wrong on many levels (and quite hypocritical)

I have noticed this as well, which I find ironic as I would have thought the liberal left would be for free speech.

mark2410 · 27 Dec 2013 at 13:14

much of the left is not liberal.

as for saying many "liberals" are not in favour of free speech, they arent liberals. they are hippies. the core of liberalism is that if your not hurting anyone else you can do and say what you like. hippies on the other hand have an agenda and want to force it on everyone else.

One · 27 Dec 2013 at 13:42

mmj_uk said:
It's pretty retarded though, stands to reason that those in poor countries will flood to the rich ones and national public services will be strained & eventually collapse under the weight. The EU has no care towards individual nations they just want to 'normalize' the whole of Europe by making the rich poorer and poorer richer.

The transition from individual state governance to a world government will be slightly messy but it is vital and inevitable. I can go to Australia in under a day, the world is a smaller place, it makes sense to open all borders and normalise the laws across these individual states.Bulgarians and Romanians are not worse people than you, they are equal human beings and should be given the same universal opportunities, this is only possible with all borders open.

Frightful Boar · 27 Dec 2013 at 13:47

"1" said:
Bulgarians and Romanians are not worse people than you, they are equal human beings and should be given the same universal opportunities, this is only possible with all borders open.

That's the last thing we want to happen.

And how do you know they're not worse people? That's a generalisation if I've ever heard one. They could be all bloody awful, and a lot of people report that they are.

One · 27 Dec 2013 at 13:49

Frightful Boar said:
That's the last thing we want to happen.

And how do you know they're not worse people? That's a generalisation if I've ever heard one. They could be all bloody awful, and a lot of people report that they are.

Because they're of the same genetic material. There is literally nothing different about them and you. A few generations may be 'off' due to culture, but it soon changes and new cultures emerge.

Frightful Boar · 27 Dec 2013 at 13:54

"1" said:
Because they're of the same genetic material. There is literally nothing different about them and you. A few generations may be 'off' due to culture, but it soon changes and new cultures emerge.

A use of the word "literally" that is new to me.

Caged · 27 Dec 2013 at 15:45

I'm sorry to have to break it to you, but they are indeed the same species.

James J · 27 Dec 2013 at 15:56

Frightful Boar said:
That's the last thing we want to happen.

And how do you know they're not worse people? That's a generalisation if I've ever heard one. They could be all bloody awful, and a lot of people report that they are.

Show us a piece of academic writing that backs up your tosh? A citation to you is more than likely the daily mail. Stop talking utter nonsense.

D.P. · 27 Dec 2013 at 16:17

Frightful Boar said:
That's the last thing we want to happen.

And how do you know they're not worse people? That's a generalisation if I've ever heard one. They could be all bloody awful, and a lot of people report that they are.

Who votes to changes this disgusting poster's screen name to Frightful Bigot

englishpremier · 27 Dec 2013 at 19:05

Frightful Boar said:
That's the last thing we want to happen.

And how do you know they're not worse people? That's a generalisation if I've ever heard one. They could be all bloody awful, and a lot of people report that they are.

Spend Christmas with a bunch of Bulgarians and a Syrian. All were nice friendly well educated people.

The Bulgarians said that most of them who wanted to leave the country already have years ago. He also said that many of the ones who do leave in the future are more interested in countries like Germany where there is a large Turkish population.

estebanrey · 27 Dec 2013 at 19:16

One said:
The transition from individual state governance to a world government will be slightly messy but it is vital and inevitable. I can go to Australia in under a day, the world is a smaller place, it makes sense to open all borders and normalise the laws across these individual states.Bulgarians and Romanians are not worse people than you, they are equal human beings and should be given the same universal opportunities, this is only possible with all borders open.

And what happens when everyone wants to live in LA or San Tropez or [insert other hot and pleasant place to live]?

Your fantasy of open borders depends massively on the effective communism of world economies and then even if you achieve that then why would anyone choose to live in a rainy part of the world when they could live in a hot one and get a tan?

FishFluff · 27 Dec 2013 at 19:44

One said:
A few generations may be 'off' due to culture, but it soon changes and new cultures emerge.

I suggest you live next to some people whose culture is wildly different to yours and see how much you can tolerate it. You'd be in GD frothing at your keyboard within 5 minutes

englishpremier · 27 Dec 2013 at 20:11

estebanrey said:
And what happens when everyone wants to live in LA or San Tropez or [insert other hot and pleasant place to live]?

Your fantasy of open borders depends massively on the effective communism of world economies and then even if you achieve that then why would anyone choose to live in a rainy part of the world when they could live in a hot one and get a tan?

It might sound odd, but a lot of people actually like having 4 distinct seasons, and as much they talk about being somewhere hot, wouldn't actually move away from the place there family is, where they grew up etc.. etc.. especially British people.

Being realistic everyone couldn't flock to a particular city even if they wanted to. There is only limited housing there so they'd be forced to live elsewhere.

Also other people would leave said cities as/if they became busier, looking for a more peaceful life.

Though really truly open borders would be difficult to achieve unless there was a level playing field across all countries.

You could probably have open boraders between UK, Western Europe, Canada, Scandinavia, Austrailia, New Zealand, without much difficulty, as they all well developed secure nations.