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I feel really sorry for that kid.

You can see what good training from that age looks like in the form of Jesse Norris. This other kid's Dad/coach (I assume) is absolutely terrible technically and seems to see his son as a way to make money. Youtube channel is weird, and if you go to his website it's even weirder.
 
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Right I am totally back in to the gym after probably a 4 year hiatus. I got a new job, moved house and fell out of the routine big time. Im currently at 95kg, 6ft with far too much body fat. Ideally I need to be down to the mid 80s/high 70s to get back to my leaner days.

I've got a decent cardio/weight routine sorted, not quite up to the old levels at all but at least I am back in the gym.

Diet is being calorie controlled/balanced via MyFitnessPal app so I am happy on that and I have lost just over 3kg in the last few weeks following my diet and gym routine. I just need a bit of a boost as I am finding it hard in the afternoons to not get hungry and to have the energy to do a full workout so was thinking of some supplements to get a bit more protein in.

Supplement wise, looking at:

Impact Whey
CLA
Omega 3s

I used to use Sida Cordifolia to give me an energy boost for my workouts but it seems to have been stopped. Also, is the 'weight loss' bundle good value on MyProtein? It has something called 'Thermopure' which I guess is the new Sida?

Or should I just stick it out and wait for a few more kg to drop off and my body get used to this new way of living again?

Any advice gratefully accepted.
 
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Its a bit scary to be posting in here with you guys but here goes.

Age : 26
Weight : 11st 11lb / 74.8kg / 165lbs
Height : 5ft 7in / 170cm
Bf : no idea

Joining a local gym tomorrow as I've decided to get in better shape. I'm very active at the moment but have put in a good stone since injuring my knee at football around 3 month ago.

Been reading these forums all weekend so I can get some decent advice and put a plan together.

Tomorrow I start with sorting out my diet and starting with Intermittent Fasting 16/8. I have no idea about my body fat % so can't get macros sorted just yet. Will gym calipers be the best measurement for bf%?

Then I am starting on gym routine of :

Monday PM
Wednesday PM
Friday AM
(I play 11 a side football on Saturdays no need recovery over the weekend)

I am struggling to decide on a weights routine from the 3 I have found. Please bear in mind I've hardly ever done any weight in my life so it's quite scary thinking about working with the barbell etc, I have no idea what weights to begin with but have been watching clips on techniques for basic excercises.

The three routine I have narrowed it down to are :

GordyR -

Monday (Chest/Shoulder/Triceps)

Flat Bench Press – 3x8
Incline Dumbbell Bench – 3x8
Skull Crushers – 3x8 (similar to lying tricep extensions)
Close Grip Bench Press – 3x8
Seated Dumbbell Military Press -3x8
Lateral Dumbbell Raises – 3x8

Wednesday (Back/Biceps)

Dead lifts – 3x8
Bent over one arm Dumbbell rows – 3x8
Chin Ups 3x8 (Or Lat pull downs if you can’t do chins yet)
Barbell Bicep Curl -3x8
One arm Dumbbell hammer Curls – 3x8


Friday (Legs/Abs)

Barbell Squats – 3x8
Dumbbell Lunges – 3x8
Calf Raises-4x10
Abdominal workout

STARTING STRENGTH/MARK RIPTOE

Workout A

Squats: 3 x 5
Bench Press: 3 x 5
Deadlift: 1 x 5

Workout B

Squats: 3 x 5
overhead Press: 3 x 5
Power Clean or Row: 3 x 5


STRONGLIFTS/BILL STARR

Workout A

Squats: 5 x 5
Bench Press: 5 x 5
Barbell Rows: 1 x 5


Workout B

Squats: 5 x 5
overhead Press: 5 x 5
Deadlift: 1 x 5

What would you recommend for a goal newb? Also this may sound stupid but any recommendations for starting weights? I don't want to look a compete idiot in the gym on my first day..:o
 
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Not sure how I missed these...

Right I am totally back in to the gym after probably a 4 year hiatus. I got a new job, moved house and fell out of the routine big time. Im currently at 95kg, 6ft with far too much body fat. Ideally I need to be down to the mid 80s/high 70s to get back to my leaner days.

I've got a decent cardio/weight routine sorted, not quite up to the old levels at all but at least I am back in the gym.

Diet is being calorie controlled/balanced via MyFitnessPal app so I am happy on that and I have lost just over 3kg in the last few weeks following my diet and gym routine. I just need a bit of a boost as I am finding it hard in the afternoons to not get hungry and to have the energy to do a full workout so was thinking of some supplements to get a bit more protein in.

Supplement wise, looking at:

Impact Whey
CLA
Omega 3s

I used to use Sida Cordifolia to give me an energy boost for my workouts but it seems to have been stopped. Also, is the 'weight loss' bundle good value on MyProtein? It has something called 'Thermopure' which I guess is the new Sida?

Or should I just stick it out and wait for a few more kg to drop off and my body get used to this new way of living again?

Any advice gratefully accepted.

Sida cordifolia is relatively high in ephedrine content, explaining the 'energy boost', but Thermopure may well be a bit disappointing after that: it just has caffeine in it (ephedrine is a very (VERY!) mild form of quasi-amphetamine).

Regarding hunger, you may want to switch around the timing and content of your meals, so you'd be consuming fewer carbs and more fats/protein to notionally keep you fuller for longer.

Regarding routine, indulge us, please. :)

Either way, great stuff on starting down this road: you have some serious objectives, so good luck!

Its a bit scary to be posting in here with you guys but here goes.

Age : 26
Weight : 11st 11lb / 74.8kg / 165lbs
Height : 5ft 7in / 170cm
Bf : no idea

Joining a local gym tomorrow as I've decided to get in better shape. I'm very active at the moment but have put in a good stone since injuring my knee at football around 3 month ago.

Been reading these forums all weekend so I can get some decent advice and put a plan together.

Tomorrow I start with sorting out my diet and starting with Intermittent Fasting 16/8. I have no idea about my body fat % so can't get macros sorted just yet. Will gym calipers be the best measurement for bf%?

Then I am starting on gym routine of :

Monday PM
Wednesday PM
Friday AM
(I play 11 a side football on Saturdays no need recovery over the weekend)

I am struggling to decide on a weights routine from the 3 I have found. Please bear in mind I've hardly ever done any weight in my life so it's quite scary thinking about working with the barbell etc, I have no idea what weights to begin with but have been watching clips on techniques for basic excercises.

The three routine I have narrowed it down to are :

GordyR -

Monday (Chest/Shoulder/Triceps)

Flat Bench Press – 3x8
Incline Dumbbell Bench – 3x8
Skull Crushers – 3x8 (similar to lying tricep extensions)
Close Grip Bench Press – 3x8
Seated Dumbbell Military Press -3x8
Lateral Dumbbell Raises – 3x8

Wednesday (Back/Biceps)

Dead lifts – 3x8
Bent over one arm Dumbbell rows – 3x8
Chin Ups 3x8 (Or Lat pull downs if you can’t do chins yet)
Barbell Bicep Curl -3x8
One arm Dumbbell hammer Curls – 3x8


Friday (Legs/Abs)

Barbell Squats – 3x8
Dumbbell Lunges – 3x8
Calf Raises-4x10
Abdominal workout

STARTING STRENGTH/MARK RIPTOE

Workout A

Squats: 3 x 5
Bench Press: 3 x 5
Deadlift: 1 x 5

Workout B

Squats: 3 x 5
overhead Press: 3 x 5
Power Clean or Row: 3 x 5


STRONGLIFTS/BILL STARR

Workout A

Squats: 5 x 5
Bench Press: 5 x 5
Barbell Rows: 1 x 5


Workout B

Squats: 5 x 5
overhead Press: 5 x 5
Deadlift: 1 x 5

What would you recommend for a goal newb? Also this may sound stupid but any recommendations for starting weights? I don't want to look a compete idiot in the gym on my first day..:o

Good start!

First off, I am assuming 'better shape' means leaner/lower body fat? If so, this means a calorie deficit for you. :)

Secondly, BF measurements are reasonably accurate approximations at best and utterly pointless at worst. I would go on the basis of what you can see:

- chiselled abz? Sub 10%.
- ab (or a single ab) definition still somewhat visible, but cut with a butter knife instead of a chisel? Anywhere between 10-20%, depending.
- what are abz? You can see where this is going...

If you feel the need to measure, then fine, but use it as a very rough guide, only: too many people get hung up on Bf and pay no attention to what they can actually see. However, calipers - in the hands of somebody experienced - are the 'better' method.

So you did in your knee playing football? And you're still playing? Nutcase. ;) Horrific activity for your knees: just like running, but with more torsional forces instead of the extended repetitive loading... :D

Regarding routine, I would suggest Stronglifts as this will introduce you to some important concepts and lifts for your move into lifting. GordyR's is also good, but it is more bodybuilding (which is also fine) rather than strength, so not my first choice (bear in mind I am a wannabe weightlifter, so go figure! ;).

As I am a wannabe weightlifter, I would suggest not going Starting Strength or - if you do - not doing power cleans (swap them out for something else)... Whilst an amazing exercise, I guarantee you will do them wrong and not derive the benefit from them you should, or worse, injure yourself because you are doing them wrong. So don't do them. :)

As to looking like a complete idiot in the gym... Don't worry about it. Most reasonable people will be impressed you are starting from scratch, rather than heading into the heavy stuff because of your ego: nobody looks dumber than the person injuring themselves because they tried to lift too much. Add the fact that nobody will care about the new guy, anyway (it is January, after all, and most of the fresh meat disappears after the third week), and you have a recipe for not worrying. ;)

Do it. Do yourself proud. :cool:
 
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Good start!

First off, I am assuming 'better shape' means leaner/lower body fat? If so, this means a calorie deficit for you. :)

Secondly, BF measurements are reasonably accurate approximations at best and utterly pointless at worst. I would go on the basis of what you can see:

- chiselled abz? Sub 10%.
- ab (or a single ab) definition still somewhat visible, but cut with a butter knife instead of a chisel? Anywhere between 10-20%, depending.
- what are abz? You can see where this is going...

If you feel the need to measure, then fine, but use it as a very rough guide, only: too many people get hung up on Bf and pay no attention to what they can actually see. However, calipers - in the hands of somebody experienced - are the 'better' method.

So you did in your knee playing football? And you're still playing? Nutcase. ;) Horrific activity for your knees: just like running, but with more torsional forces instead of the extended repetitive loading... :D

Regarding routine, I would suggest Stronglifts as this will introduce you to some important concepts and lifts for your move into lifting. GordyR's is also good, but it is more bodybuilding (which is also fine) rather than strength, so not my first choice (bear in mind I am a wannabe weightlifter, so go figure! ;).

As I am a wannabe weightlifter, I would suggest not going Starting Strength or - if you do - not doing power cleans (swap them out for something else)... Whilst an amazing exercise, I guarantee you will do them wrong and not derive the benefit from them you should, or worse, injure yourself because you are doing them wrong. So don't do them. :)

As to looking like a complete idiot in the gym... Don't worry about it. Most reasonable people will be impressed you are starting from scratch, rather than heading into the heavy stuff because of your ego: nobody looks dumber than the person injuring themselves because they tried to lift too much. Add the fact that nobody will care about the new guy, anyway (it is January, after all, and most of the fresh meat disappears after the third week), and you have a recipe for not worrying. ;)

Do it. Do yourself proud. :cool:
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Thanks for the response!

I guess my overall goal is to get leaner while looking like I work out! :o
Proper Newb answer right?

The only reason I thought about getting a BF% was to work out my macros but maybe I just misread the Diet thread on here. Will revisit that again today.

Hmm..I've played football at different levels all my life now settled at a club in a semi-pro (ish) league. I seem to have quite weak knees as on average I get slight knee ligament tears once every 18 months or so. Cycling used to help me with strengthening them, unfortunately the last tear came from a tackle so not much I could do about that. I'm fit again now and due to start playing in 2 weeks time.

I will stick with Stronglifts then, I guess once I have the basic strong lifts down to a tee it should give me a decent foundation to introduce other things.

One other thing, I have had a look through the supplements thread, I am guessing I could use some Whey protein after a work out? My PM workouts will be around 6:30PM so I will have probably had my evening meal before this and I also plan to make use of the Sauna & Jacuzzi so it would be a while before I could get some food in my system after my work out. Should I take a Whey protein shake straight after workout?

I will make a log in the TL forum, I guess it will help with motivation..
 
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Thanks for the response!

I guess my overall goal is to get leaner while looking like I work out! :o
Proper Newb answer right?

The only reason I thought about getting a BF% was to work out my macros but maybe I just misread the Diet thread on here. Will revisit that again today.

Hmm..I've played football at different levels all my life now settled at a club in a semi-pro (ish) league. I seem to have quite weak knees as on average I get slight knee ligament tears once every 18 months or so. Cycling used to help me with strengthening them, unfortunately the last tear came from a tackle so not much I could do about that. I'm fit again now and due to start playing in 2 weeks time.

I will stick with Stronglifts then, I guess once I have the basic strong lifts down to a tee it should give me a decent foundation to introduce other things.

One other thing, I have had a look through the supplements thread, I am guessing I could use some Whey protein after a work out? My PM workouts will be around 6:30PM so I will have probably had my evening meal before this and I also plan to make use of the Sauna & Jacuzzi so it would be a while before I could get some food in my system after my work out. Should I take a Whey protein shake straight after workout?

I will make a log in the TL forum, I guess it will help with motivation..

Don't get me wrong - it is good to know your BF& (for these precise reasons), but working it out accurately is a tough one.

Besides, you will find that even if you could precisely nail your BF%, your diet may shift according to your rate of weightloss (i.e. higher/lower calories), so it really can be arbitrary. :)

Regarding knees, as a footballer you kind of make your own bed, I'm afraid. More strength and mobility will always be useful, but can't save you from a bad tackle, over-adventurous dribbling, etc. ;)

Supplement-wise, whey is always useful to make up protein macro shortfalls, but shouldn't become a staple to your diet (if it does, you should have a think about what you're eating) - it is a 'supplement' after all.

Weightloss should be incidental to your life, as opposed to a focus: eat more healthily and in a more balanced manner (and in a calorie deficit) and you will shed. If you keep your protein levels high enough and lift weights according to Stronglifts, you won't look like a marathon runner when you finish, too. :)
 
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I wouldn't be replacing any meals with protein shakes, it will literally be in instances where I can't get a meal down me within 60 mins of my workout.

I've got to be honest I'm not fantastic when it comes to eating. For example my food for today is as follows :

Eating times between 1PM - 9PM as per 16/8 IF

  • Black coffee - 0 sugar - 4 per day at work (usually have milk + 2 sugars so tried to cut this out)
  • Apple
  • 150g Chicken breast with litttle bit of Nandos sauce for dipping
  • 200g Long grain white rice
  • Kallo Wholegrain rice cakes + peanut butter ( will probably have around 2-3 of these as snacks)
  • King prawn linguini (175g prawns), sauce is made up of olive oil, cherry tomatoes and chilli
  • Work out tonight - Stronglifts
  • Whey protein shake after workout
  • may treat myself to 2/3 poached eggs around 9PM to get me through my fast..
 
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Welcome 2014, in which I will attempt to get my diet right again. Going to try and hit it hard this year, since I've been training for nearly 5 years but never had a proper diet, i'm sure it could be better. I'll be buying straps this year too, since some exercises my forearms give in before the actual target muscle does.
 
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Been on stronglifts for the last month or so and am enjoying it seeing progression in strength as well as a bit of size being put on.

Stats: Bodyweight 75kg, 6ft 0.
Bench max: 80kg*3
Squat max: 80kg*3
Deadlift max: 100kg*2
OHP max: 50kg*3
BOR max: 60kg*3

Have never really tried for a 1 rep max so unsure of what they would be. Deadlift is 1/2 reps max though.

It's obvious that my squat is lacking behind and should be much more. I have seen progression though, from 60kg being my max squat up to 80kg in a month or so. I also throw in some BSS's as I think they are a great exercise. I am going to continue with stronglifts 3/4 times a week but also mix in some cardio and abs to improve my look for summer. Vanity I know! ;)

The plan is twice a week cardio and abs sessions as well as 3* a week stronglifts. Is 5* at the gym too much? Bare in mind these cardio sessions aren't really going to tax my muscles.

I am appallingly unfit as of now and want to at least feel a bit fitter. I'm probably gonna stick to my current diet until March which at the moment is just eating a lot, tuna, chicken, pasta, rice, potatoes and noodles mainly as well as a weight gainer shake after every workout. Approx 800 calories and 45g protein in a shake. Come March I am gonna cut out quite a lot of the carbs and just maintain bodyweight as opposed to bulking. So I'll hopefully be at 75-76kg when I begin to cut out the carbs.

I know this is mainly a strongman type sub-forum but I like both aspects of gym, appearance and strength. Some of you may call it stupid to stop bulking at 76kg but I'm hoping it will leave me with a good base to build on for after the summer. Plenty of topless holidays planned for summer! ;)
 
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Been on stronglifts for the last month or so and am enjoying it seeing progression in strength as well as a bit of size being put on.

Stats: Bodyweight 75kg, 6ft 0.
Bench max: 80kg*3
Squat max: 80kg*3
Deadlift max: 100kg*2
OHP max: 50kg*3
BOR max: 60kg*3

Have never really tried for a 1 rep max so unsure of what they would be. Deadlift is 1/2 reps max though.

It's obvious that my squat is lacking behind and should be much more. I have seen progression though, from 60kg being my max squat up to 80kg in a month or so. I also throw in some BSS's as I think they are a great exercise. I am going to continue with stronglifts 3/4 times a week but also mix in some cardio and abs to improve my look for summer. Vanity I know! ;)

The plan is twice a week cardio and abs sessions as well as 3* a week stronglifts. Is 5* at the gym too much? Bare in mind these cardio sessions aren't really going to tax my muscles.

I am appallingly unfit as of now and want to at least feel a bit fitter. I'm probably gonna stick to my current diet until March which at the moment is just eating a lot, tuna, chicken, pasta, rice, potatoes and noodles mainly as well as a weight gainer shake after every workout. Approx 800 calories and 45g protein in a shake. Come March I am gonna cut out quite a lot of the carbs and just maintain bodyweight as opposed to bulking. So I'll hopefully be at 75-76kg when I begin to cut out the carbs.

I know this is mainly a strongman type sub-forum but I like both aspects of gym, appearance and strength. Some of you may call it stupid to stop bulking at 76kg but I'm hoping it will leave me with a good base to build on for after the summer. Plenty of topless holidays planned for summer! ;)

You've got ages until it's beach season surely? If it was me, I would drop cardio and focus on the weights for a few more months.

Also the one thing that stands out for me is your weight. 75kg isn’t heavy for your height (IMHO). I’m 75kg and I’m a shorty. (5'8)

Your lifts are good. Just focus on getting those up and watch your weight, as long as your getting your protein/calories in and your weight/lifts are gradually going up I think your on to a winner.

In March/April you can then look in to going on to a bit of a cut?
 
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