Sanctions to hit part time workers
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What if he's just a normal guy that refuse to whine like a little girl about how 'unfair' things are get on with it. What's your insult then?
I don't think wage repression has had much if anything to do with the economy recovery however with employment levels having an impact on interest rates and a movement towards part time employment being part of that both of these measures have a lot of potential to undo things for no good reason.
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Well minimum wage is fair enough if you live at home with mum n dad and pay 50 quid a week keep all inclusive, but its not if you have rent, gas/elec, council tax, food, car/petrol/road tax etc and kids to feed...
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I saw this coming the day they proposed universal credit,
I absolutely knew it..... no shocker here lets make people homeless now too.
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I absolutely knew it..... no shocker here lets make people homeless now too.
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Yes, I know you knew, some people looked at me like I was a nutter when I tried warning them.
You won't get very far in the Tory party with that kind of attitude!
You should be talking about how the National Minimum Wage hurts our competitiveness.
How leaving the EU will let us scrap all those silly employment laws the continentals keep creating. "Entitlement laws" more like.
After that we can start living the dream of 80 hour working weeks for subsistence wages. My boy, just think of the profit for the shareholders!
No you didn't. You did not work a crap job and retrain at same time:
Really? So everyone can go out and get a decent redundancy package to pay for qualifications?
This is where your argument falls on its face. Your current position was made possible due to some hard work, yes, but also with a decent bit of "luck" enabling you to retrain.
Are you saying that everyone can get a crap job, get promoted, GET A REDUNDANCY PACKAGE, retrain and get a better job? After all, you do say "nothing there everyone else couldn't do"....
Also just to touch on this point:
What if the poster had used this white fella here instead:
What year did your family move to the UK Frightful B ?
You seem to think the first step "getting a degree" is straightforward. Nowadays its more in-accessible for the majority of lower paid UK people than ever.
I'm not dissing you for your own achievements but with respect you have also had "a lucky break" on your side. The cushion of a redundancy payout gave you financial security to remake yourself.
You seem to think the first step "getting a degree" is straightforward. Nowadays its more in-accessible for the majority of lower paid UK people than ever.
I'm not dissing you for your own achievements but with respect you have also had "a lucky break" on your side. The cushion of a redundancy payout gave you financial security to remake yourself.
At the risk of injecting some facts into this thread, it is not part time workers who are being targeted, but part time workers who take home less than a full time worker earning minimum wage. It also applies to self employed people who claim they take less out than being employed on minimum wage full time.
This is coupled with a dramatic reform of benefits withdrawal rates that currently do mean it isn't worth increasing your hours as withdrawal rates often approach a loss of 90p in every additional poudlnd earnt.
I don't see this as a bad thing, helping people while also expecting them to help themselves is not an attack on low earners.
Of course, full reform of the benefits system to remove means testing and offset benefits against tax would be much fairer, but doesn't satisfy the vested interests...
This is coupled with a dramatic reform of benefits withdrawal rates that currently do mean it isn't worth increasing your hours as withdrawal rates often approach a loss of 90p in every additional poudlnd earnt.
I don't see this as a bad thing, helping people while also expecting them to help themselves is not an attack on low earners.
Of course, full reform of the benefits system to remove means testing and offset benefits against tax would be much fairer, but doesn't satisfy the vested interests...
In what way?
The cost of the course (and maintenance loans) isn't an upfront cost and so doesn't have any impact on the accessibility of the course itself.
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Because debt is another form of slavery and people are not stupid. The cost of education in this country is prohibitive to attainment, and god forbid anybody would actually want to do a post-grad.
Yes it ******* does. We have two tiers of people in this country. Daddy paid for my education vs I am £30k in debt. You don't think thats a stumbling block for the poor? I am 27, the only people my age who I know are studying are nurses getting free courses through the NHS. No other sods can afford the cost of it.
Your posts are consistently conservative party line and illogical so I don't expect any logic or reason from your inevitable response.
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Life on paper is very different from reality, that with respect you don't live in, at least come across as...
Just using Boar as an example, he had his golden handshakes to pay his tuition costs +live.
Im sure there are 1:1000 people that can achieve what you suggest but its exceptional.
I am taking on ~£30,000 worth of student debt to change career so I am not entirely sure how it isn't reality? However it isn't a debt I can default on and I only start paying back when I start earning and even then it is a percentage of my earnings. It is no different from the graduate tax the somewhat retarded SU proposed except there isn't unlimited liability.
There are of course living costs to consider but if you are on a low income then you will get the full maintenance grant and the maintenance loan. Is it easy? No, but then it never was as those living costs would have had to have been covered regardless of if the fees were paid.
The only way the cost of tuition is a barrier is if you personally decide to make it one.
Is it really only 1:1000 people that can work out that you don't have to pay for your tuition up front?
That's not true, it used to be very easy. I got Housing Benefit to cover the cost of my accommodation and a grant to cover my living expenses and the courses were free.
The only thing I needed was the ability to do a degree....one thing that doesn't seem to be required nowadays...
I don't know a single one of my friends children going through uni now who isn't supported financially by their parents, so my friends who can't afford to do that, their children don't go.