#ItsWhatWeDo

[Burnsy2023]

I take issue with the single crewing as it can backfire on the police themselves and can cost time and money that could be better spent on more officers thus avoiding cases being lost due to lack of corroboration.

Corroboration isn't an issue in E&W but there simply isn't the budget to increase officer numbers, if anything officer numbers are being cut quite drastically.

 

[platinum87]

Apart from the fact that zip ties aren't generally used (and aren't authorized to be used), very few officer have Taser and the whole VOIP thing is pretty funny.

Yes but zip ties are cheap and you can carry a lot of them and also can be used for many purposes.

You can also buy a taser very easily and it is non-fatal, i'd much prefer that than having to fight a knife wielding lunatic with a baton.

Regardless of VOIP or whatever other system you might use, it is extremely important. I only have two hands, i cant be dealing with something and then having one hand pressing a button on a radio.

It's like saying "if it were me, I'd use my laser vision to stun them all".

Your ideas are quite unrealistic.

You say that buying a taser and carrying it around is the equivalent of developing superman powers?

 

[Tuppy_Glossop]

platinum87

 

[Burnsy2023]

Yes but zip ties are cheap and you can carry a lot of them and also can be used for many purposes.

You can also buy a taser very easily and it is non-fatal, i'd much prefer that than having to fight a knife wielding lunatic with a baton.

Regardless of VOIP or whatever other system you might use, it is extremely important. I only have two hands, i cant be dealing with something and then having one hand pressing a button on a radio.

You wouldn't be allowed to use zip ties. As for taser, you need to be trained and authorised to use it, you can't just buy it yourself (and it's not easy to get hold of a X26 Taser in the UK as it'd be a s5 prohibited weapon).

You don't have a voice activate comm system, to suggest you'd get one is unrealistic.

 

[kwerk]

Guns aren't a magical answer, especially where the numbers are against you.

If they aren't a magical answer why do cops here have a 18rd pistol, 2 or 3 spare 17rd mags, a backup pistol (11 rds g26 for example), and a patrol rifle in the car with at least 90 rds? Also a taser, pepper spray, baton and knife suitable for self-defense. I know that criminals have guns here but they seem to have a lot of knives in the UK which are deadly weapons too.

Would there really be more negligent police shootings than officer's lifes saved if they had guns?

 

[platinum87]

You wouldn't be allowed to use zip ties. As for taser, you need to be trained and authorised to use it, you can't just buy it yourself (and it's not easy to get hold of a X26 Taser in the UK as it'd be a s5 prohibited weapon).

You don't have a voice activate comm system, to suggest you'd get one is unrealistic.

Allowed or not is irrelevent, i would have them and use them as i deem necessary, alternatively i would carry around a lot of hand cuffs if that makes you feel better. Same for the taser, that video is such an extreme situation, wouldn't you rather have it just in case something like that would happen..

Even just a spare mobile with hands free can do.

 

[The Dread Pirate]

Corroboration isn't an issue in E&W but there simply isn't the budget to increase officer numbers, if anything officer numbers are being cut quite drastically.

I'd've thought in any case where it's Officer's word against Civilian where there's a lack of physical evidence corroboration would be key otherwise you'll end up with cases that go to trial being thrown out due to lack of evidence. It's wasteful of time & Money and other resources on both the forces side and the other parties side that could be better spent say on recruitment and wages. You could argue for hours with the positives of single crews but my main point still stands.

 

[Mrs Seabiscuit]

Allowed or not is irrelevent, i would have them and use them as i deem necessary, alternatively i would carry around a lot of hand cuffs if that makes you feel better. Same for the taser, that video is such an extreme situation, wouldn't you rather have it just in case something like that would happen..

Even just a spare mobile with hands free can do.

Then you sir wouldn't last very long as a police officer.

 

[NathWraith]

99% of the job is thinking on your feet..



I think his point was, though these videos are in Scotland, minor legal differences aside, they're situations faced all over the UK.

I was pointing it out more because scotland are trying to get independence atm

 

[platinum87]

Then you sir wouldn't last very long as a police officer.

I never said that i would

 

[Burnsy2023]

Allowed or not is irrelevent, i would have them and use them as i deem necessary.

You wouldn't be a Police Officer for very long with that attitude.

 

[Burnsy2023]

I'd've thought in any case where it's Officer's word against Civilian where there's a lack of physical evidence corroboration would be key otherwise you'll end up with cases that go to trial being thrown out due to lack of evidence. It's wasteful of time & Money and other resources on both the forces side and the other parties side that could be better spent say on recruitment and wages. You could argue for hours with the positives of single crews but my main point still stands.

Which is why I wear Body Worn Video.

 

[fiveub]

If they aren't a magical answer why do cops here have a 18rd pistol, 2 or 3 spare 17rd mags, a backup pistol (11 rds g26 for example), and a patrol rifle in the car with at least 90 rds? Also a taser, pepper spray, baton and knife suitable for self-defense. I know that criminals have guns here but they seem to have a lot of knives in the UK which are deadly weapons too.

Would there really be more negligent police shootings than officer's lifes saved if they had guns?

I wondered why too. - Aren't your Fire Brigade also being armed with guns now too in some states?

I guess the same question could be asked, why are the lots of school shootings, and a lot of gun crime in the US? And does having more guns resolve this?

But I don't think this thread should turn into a gun law debate.

 

[Skidder]

Given that the protagonists appear to be Scottish, I would probably snap out of the day dream that I was a productive member of society, realise that my police uniform was actually a pair of soiled pants and proceed to enjoy some more heroin.

 

[The Dread Pirate]

Which is why I wear Body Worn Video.

Video is a good idea in sync with two crew patrols however on single crews it's still fallible and can't be trusted IMO video can be doctored/camera can run out of battery/be broken and if said crime happens during this time your back at square one. If you've two officers w video the problems I've stated can be overlooked as you'll have 2 lots of video(if one camera is broken the assailant will have to work at the other doctoring would be difficult as you'd have to work on two unique feeds taking a hell of a lot longer to do to make sure they match)and two statements thus more evidence to corroborate your conviction.

SFAIC single-crews are just a short term fix for small police numbers that's going to cause more harm in the long run than good.

 

[andi]

Yes but zip ties are cheap and you can carry a lot of them and also can be used for many purposes.

You can also buy a taser very easily and it is non-fatal, i'd much prefer that than having to fight a knife wielding lunatic with a baton.

Regardless of VOIP or whatever other system you might use, it is extremely important. I only have two hands, i cant be dealing with something and then having one hand pressing a button on a radio.



You say that buying a taser and carrying it around is the equivalent of developing superman powers?

Like I said. Totally unrealistic. If you dont like the superpowers how about "I'd cut them up with the m249 I bought off ebay"

 

[Burnsy2023]

SFAIC single-crews are just a short term fix for small police numbers that's going to cause more harm in the long run than good.

I'd agree with you but for different reasons. Either way it's going to be more of the norm in at least the medium term. You'll be lucky if you get one officer turn up let alone two.

 

[Jono8]

Given that the protagonists appear to be Scottish, I would probably snap out of the day dream that I was a productive member of society, realise that my police uniform was actually a pair of soiled pants and proceed to enjoy some more heroin.

This genuinely made me lol

 

[The Dread Pirate]

Either way it's going to be more of the norm in at least the medium term. You'll be lucky if you get one officer turn up let alone two.

This is not encouraging in fact it's quite terrifying.

 

[hummingman]

Good videos. Really hard to call them but in the first video I would have helped the other officer - officer safety comes first really. They would have had the accused's details and could catch up with him later or issue a warrant for his arrest if he went to ground.

The second video is a nightmare situation... turning the music down was a valid first step and there wasn't any indication of danger when she turned her back. All she can do in that situation is press her backup button, draw her baton and communicate with the offender....

Third one the policy states to get away from the car and maintain a safe distance. He's single crewed and could do this and wait for backup. There is no immediate danger to the individual in the car besides the possibility of a car fire. From a first aid point of view its important to stay with him and keep him talking and conscious. I would have definitely asked if there was someone else in the car with him.

Burnsy can you clear up one thing for me please in the last Video the Copper is on his own surely he shouldn't be I though it was std procedure for officers to patrol in pairs when walking the beat or on car patrol.

The police have cut backs like everyone else and its now the case that its a luxury to have police officers in pairs rather than single crewed.