google "Helios Airways Flight 522"
Not dead but incapacitated. The Auto pilot held the plane in the holding pattern until it ran out of fuel.
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'Contact lost' with Malaysia Airlines plane
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google "Helios Airways Flight 522"
Not dead but incapacitated. The Auto pilot held the plane in the holding pattern until it ran out of fuel.
Also the famous golfer Payne Stewart died in a crash where the cabin lost pressure and everyone died. The plane continue flying for a few hours until it ran out of fuel.
You might as well forget about the fire and autopilot theory. If there was a fire that bad on board to knock out the transponders and acars then it will have damaged other systems critical to the autopilot. An autopilot is designed to trip off with systems failure.
If the crew were pulling circuit breakers to try and isolate a fire I very much doubt they were flying on autopilot! Pulling some of those c/b's will again disengage the autopilot if it is on.
With 2 crew a mayday call could have been made by the pilot not in control, there would have been time. They would want to report their position knowing full well they might crash.
A 777 does not fly on autopilot due to a fire and crew being incapacitated with only the atc and acars systems damaged. Not a chance.
If the crew were pulling circuit breakers to try and isolate a fire I very much doubt they were flying on autopilot! Pulling some of those c/b's will again disengage the autopilot if it is on.
With 2 crew a mayday call could have been made by the pilot not in control, there would have been time. They would want to report their position knowing full well they might crash.
A 777 does not fly on autopilot due to a fire and crew being incapacitated with only the atc and acars systems damaged. Not a chance.
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I read the wiki link but it seems that just the pilot/co-pilot were incapacitated. I am specifically looking for a situation whereby smoke (from on onboard fire) has incapacitated everyone on-board but NOT cause sufficient damage to the plane such that it crashes. I find such a situation unlikely but Tefal seems to think otherwise.
Despite what some people have said on here, a passenger aircraft can not take off, fly to destination and land without any pilot input. To start with you have to manually activate the landing gear and select flap positions, they are just the 2 obvious points, there are more.
no the passengers were out too.
and no i said a plane has flown with everyone on board dead (although it seems they were only unconscious my mistake) not smoke.
but there have also been incidences of the planes flying on after both the pilots fell asleep.
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The stolen plane and nuke idea is interesting possible and impossible depending how you look at it.
The US must be too far to make a target. China? Are they that mad at the Chinese? Israel? 'If I can't have it you can't have it' menality could work but the side effects on localised communities caught up in the aftermath might put them off.
The US must be too far to make a target. China? Are they that mad at the Chinese? Israel? 'If I can't have it you can't have it' menality could work but the side effects on localised communities caught up in the aftermath might put them off.
Thats true, the aircraft will quite happily fly in its cruise phase without any crew input. Ironically, if the autopilot does have a problem and trips out it even sets off a warning siren to wake them up!
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The fire theory is still the most plausible explanation. I reckon they will find the wreckage past the west of the Maldives.
The point is right now there are no passenger aircraft that can carry out the whole flight themselves. Even if they wanted to they can't. They could be modified but they are n't.
Those Cat ratings do not mean the aircraft will extend its landing gear or flaps for you. The aircraft will warn you the landing config is not set up correctly but thats all.
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I have a feeling that despite all these 'interesting' stories (ignoring the 236 dead) that the outcome will be relatively boring, ill-fated and not much will be learnt.
Either that or we'll all be sitting in our arm chairs in 50 years time, this will come back on the news as an epic discovery to be turned into a 22nd Century Fox series and we'll be like "Oooh I remember that flight" with our pack of Werther's and rich tea biscuits.
Either that or we'll all be sitting in our arm chairs in 50 years time, this will come back on the news as an epic discovery to be turned into a 22nd Century Fox series and we'll be like "Oooh I remember that flight" with our pack of Werther's and rich tea biscuits.
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If I'm going to manage fifty years more they are going to have to seriously improve medical science
And as has already been pointed out multiple times when this theory was first aired... Why did the plane subsequently make multiple course alterations and why did the plane eventually end up flying north or south, not follow broadly the direction the pilot either flew it before dying or pinned into the autopilot?
It worked before we found out about the multiple course alterations, it was put to bed when we found out about the pinging.
zero.
maybe 1%
this is the "successful" sea landing only 25 survived
To be fair to that landing it appeared to be ok until the plane veered to the left just before it hit the water. An argument started at that point. If it had landed straight like it was planned then it may very well not have had anywhere near the number of casualties.
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Also need to remember a lot of those passengers survived the crash but drowned because they inflated their life jackets too soon.
Which will contradict much of the little evidence we have on the path of the aircraft.
True, although it was also close to shore and most were rescued by tourists and local boats, which wouldn't happen out to sea. Although it would be fine if it did a controlled ditching near a deserted piece of land so the ditchers could take off whoever/whatever they hijacked the plane for...