Poll: Winter Is Coming - HBO's A Game of Thrones [READ WARNING]

[robfosters]

Cheers Maccy. It beggars belief why people feel the need to post anything vaguely spoilerish in the Tv thread. We all know the books have been written, but the vast majority of us don't want to know what happens and we come into this thread to talk about the Tv episodes and to speculate about what could or might happen. In my opinion, it crosses the line when people start discussing the books because they spoil what is to come in the Tv series.

If people want to post spoilers (in tags or not) and discuss the books, go and start a book thread...because this is for the Tv series!!!

Hear, hear!

 

[Uncle Petey]

Don't click the spoiler tags. Simples.

 

[arknor]

Cheers Maccy. It beggars belief why people feel the need to post anything vaguely spoilerish in the Tv thread. We all know the books have been written, but the vast majority of us don't want to know what happens and we come into this thread to talk about the Tv episodes and to speculate about what could or might happen. In my opinion, it crosses the line when people start discussing the books because they spoil what is to come in the Tv series.

If people want to post spoilers (in tags or not) and discuss the books, go and start a book thread...because this is for the Tv series!!!

There's already a book thread unless it got deleted in the great huge thread purge

 

[One]

Then you're not thinking hard enough. All the clues are there.

'any other' is what I meant.

Can anyone tell me the reasoning behind HBO not letting viewers outside of the US watching via Netflix or the like?

Has no one told them the extortionate prices our satellite and cable services charge us for their product?

It's not as expensive as HBO is in America.

Cheers Maccy. It beggars belief why people feel the need to post anything vaguely spoilerish in the Tv thread. We all know the books have been written, but the vast majority of us don't want to know what happens and we come into this thread to talk about the Tv episodes and to speculate about what could or might happen. In my opinion, it crosses the line when people start discussing the books because they spoil what is to come in the Tv series.

If people want to post spoilers (in tags or not) and discuss the books, go and start a book thread...because this is for the Tv series!!!

In my experience the only book related things I've read relate to the greater depth of knowledge the written work provides. So when people speculate why something happened in a certain way you'll see a spoiler tag that gives some back story that would otherwise be left unsaid by the TV show. I've yet to see an future spoilers even in tags. I don't see why this is a bad thing.

 

[Muban]

You've been lucky then, I've seen 3 things here (no I'm not going to repeat them). They have since been removed.

 

[AshenEdge]

The latest episode had such an amazing build up! The tension just became almost unbearable and then the final karmic result Poor Tyrion's endless self sacrifices I really hope he gets a happy ending! but I don't think G.O.T is the place for happy endings

 

[ElliorR]

......but I don't think G.O.T is the place for happy endings

I don't know, seeing Daenerys in various states of undress gave me a few happy endings.

 

[AshenEdge]

I don't know, seeing Daenerys in various states of undress gave me a few happy endings.

 

[robfosters]

I don't know, seeing Daenerys in various states of undress gave me a few happy endings.

 

[One]

The latest episode had such an amazing build up! The tension just became almost unbearable and then the final karmic result Poor Tyrion's endless self sacrifices I really hope he gets a happy ending! but I don't think G.O.T is the place for happy endings

I think there are some characters that GRRM simply can't kill off. Dany for starters, we'd lose our entire viewpoint into Qarth and all that area of land and the dragons etc, she would be too hard to replace. Tyrion I don't know, he could be lost I suppose but he is a reader/viewers favourite. Arya again is a huge favourite of mine, especially after becoming such a baddass after her father's death. Bran's newly trained powers also have been given too much of a big up simply to drop with his death. Jon Snow also is pretty much our only heart felt tie to the wall (maybe Samwell although he is only worth noting because of his friendship with Jon). I think it's virtually impossible for GRRM to kill these characters (with exception of Tyrion, I think that could be possible) without severely limiting his story options and fans.

I don't know, seeing Daenerys in various states of undress gave me a few happy endings.

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NO HOTLINKING!

 

[AshenEdge]

I think there are some characters that GRRM simply can't kill off. Dany for starters, we'd lose our entire viewpoint into Qarth and all that area of land and the dragons etc, she would be too hard to replace. Tyrion I don't know, he could be lost I suppose but he is a reader/viewers favourite. Arya again is a huge favourite of mine, especially after becoming such a baddass after her father's death. Bran's newly trained powers also have been given too much of a big up simply to drop with his death. Jon Snow also is pretty much our only heart felt tie to the wall (maybe Samwell although he is only worth noting because of his friendship with Jon). I think it's virtually impossible for GRRM to kill these characters (with exception of Tyrion, I think that could be possible) without severely limiting his story options and fans.


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I agree it seems unimaginable for any of these characters to meet their demise, but after the 'Red wedding' moment and the fall of the Starks I think anything is possible. I'm also concerned for Daenerys as the Dragons seem to be moving beyond her control so perhaps some should have their 'happy' moments whilst they can

 

[robfosters]

I agree it seems unimaginable for any of these characters to meet their demise, but after the 'Red wedding' moment and the fall of the Starks I think anything is possible. I'm also concerned for Daenerys as the Dragons seem to be moving beyond her control so perhaps some should have their 'happy' moments whilst they can

I never thought the characters killed off in the Red Wedding were indispensable. The story seemed to be going along a simple line of Robb marching on invading Kings landing and taking the throne. That would have been all too linear and simple. It was bound to take a major twist.

 

[One]

It all went downhill for little old Robbie when he took the Karstark's head really. There's something to be said about this well known proverb: An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

I don't think I would last long in the GoT world, I'm too forgiving and conscientious, a bit like Sansa but not as good to look at.

 

[AshenEdge]

I never thought the characters killed off in the Red Wedding were indispensable. The story seemed to be going along a simple line of Robb marching on invading Kings landing and taking the throne. That would have been all too linear and simple. It was bound to take a major twist.

I Agree but I didn't expect near total destruction I also felt something bad was going to happen but it went beyond what I'd considered. I guess this is what makes an amazing drama like G.O.Ts rise above all the rest

It all went downhill for little old Robbie when he took the Karstark's head really. There's something to be said about this well known proverb: An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

I don't think I would last long in the GoT world, I'm too forgiving and conscientious, a bit like Sansa but not as good to look at.

I think Sansa has some of the most potential to grow. As Tyrion tells her of the strength of her mother and that she would want her to go on I began to imagine where those words could lead Sansa! but I guess we'll have to wait and see

 

[One]

It's plainly clear however that GRRM only gets invited to weddings at which he doesn't like the groom

Is there any historical reason why he keeps killing off kings at weddings? The power battle often harks back to the battle of the roses, I don't know if there actually was any major deaths at a historical wedding though.

 

[Meridian]

'any other' is what I meant.

That makes a bit more sense!

 

[Malfsyde]

It all went downhill for little old Robbie when he took the Karstark's head really. There's something to be said about this well known proverb: An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

I don't think I would last long in the GoT world, I'm too forgiving and conscientious, a bit like Sansa but not as good to look at.

I think it's more to do with Robb being too much like Eddard. The Valiant White Knight who thinks he can fix the world with Truth, Justice and the American way. "In the Game of Thrones you win or you die", and they played so very poorly. He had to die for the fiction to be self-consistent. There is also the scene between Robb and Talisa where they discuss their heartfelt plans after the war to live happily ever after. I've watched enough war movies to see that people who do that always die.

I do think Jon Snow and Daenerys are the two safest characters right now though. Who knows what happens in the future, and their closest friends may still die, but they do seem like the two characters that are there to act as avatars for the audience to relate to the fiction. Their stories are also so isolated from the s***storm going on in King's Landing but they still get quite of lot of story focus, which leads me to believe there is something big for them when they return. Many people die, but everybody's death has a meaning behind it.

 

[Rroff]

I do think Jon Snow and Daenerys are the two safest characters right now though. Who knows what happens in the future, and their closest friends may still die, but they do seem like the two characters that are there to act as avatars for the audience to relate to the fiction. Their stories are also so isolated from the s***storm going on in King's Landing but they still get quite of lot of story focus, which leads me to believe there is something big for them when they return. Many people die, but everybody's death has a meaning behind it.

Assumably the whole "winter is coming" thing means Jon Snow is safe for awhile and we are still in the preamble for Daenerys's story given how its presented so wouldn't really make sense to get rid of her too soon.

 

[Gambisk]

Assumably the whole "winter is coming" thing means Jon Snow is safe for awhile and we are still in the preamble for Daenerys's story given how its presented so wouldn't really make sense to get rid of her too soon.

I would never say that anyone is safe in the Game of Thrones universe, Jon and Dany are isolated from all the political back stabbing in King's landing but they have no shortage of other enemies trying to kill them. Jon has the entire hoard of wildlings that he has betrayed and Dany is marching from city to city in the East, upsetting the rich and powerful by freeing their slaves. Whilst they are the only characters who provide POV in these areas at the moment, I wouldn't be surprised if new characters are introduced that could take over from them.

 

[DisrupTor75]

It's plainly clear however that GRRM only gets invited to weddings at which he doesn't like the groom

Is there any historical reason why he keeps killing off kings at weddings? The power battle often harks back to the battle of the roses, I don't know if there actually was any major deaths at a historical wedding though.

Can't quite remember what GoT site mentioned the historical references but here's one.

THE MASSACRE OF GLENCOE
In 1691, all Scottish clans were called upon to renounce the deposed King of Scotland, James VII, and swear allegiance to King William of Orange (of William and Mary fame). The chief of each clan had until January 1, 1692, to provide a signed document swearing an oath to William. The Highland Clan MacDonald had two things working against them here. First of all, the Secretary of State, John Dalrymple, was a Lowlander who loathed Clan MacDonald. Secondly, Clan MacDonald had already sworn an oath to James VII and had to wait on him to send word that they were free to break that oath.

Unfortunately, it was December 28 before a messenger arrived with this all-important letter from the former king. That gave Maclain, the chief of the MacDonald clan, just three days to get the newly-signed oath to the Secretary of State.

Maclain was detained for days when he went through Inveraray, the town of the rival Clan Campbell, but still managed to deliver the oath, albeit several days late. The Secretary of State's legal team wasn't interested in late documents. They rejected the MacDonalds' sworn allegiance to William, and set plans in place to cut the clan down, "root and branch."

In late January or early February, 120 men under the command of Captain Robert Campbell arrived at the MacDonalds' in Glencoe, claiming to need shelter because a nearby fort was full. The MacDonalds offered their hospitality, as was custom, and the soldiers stayed there for nearly two weeks before Captain Drummond arrived with instructions to "put all to the sword under seventy."

After playing cards with their victims and wishing them goodnight, the soldiers waited until the MacDonalds were asleep, then murdered as many men as they could manage — 38 in all, some still in their beds. At least 40 women and children escaped, but fleeing into a blizzard blowing outside as their houses burned down meant that they all died of exposure.

The massacre was considered especially awful because it was "Slaughter Under Trust" — sound familiar, Game of Thrones fans? To this day, the door at Clachaig Inn in Glen Coe has a sign on the door denying entry to Campbells.