Does it take a lot of careful concentration to deliberately use offensive terminology
It's not an offensive term. Look at the NAACP for example.
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It's not an offensive term. Look at the NAACP for example.
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Poor you, you thought that was rage. Genuinely Cas you need to stop, never mind wrong end of the stick seems your playing in a different forrest. It's kind of funny, perhaps when you've had some sleep you will see. You probably too stubborn to accept the tone was actually a more "taking the ****" "what the hell" oh this conversation would have gone so differently instead of the snarky tone it's taken.
Of coarse not, most people only know that part of the poem. I'm pretty certain latter parts of the poem don't shed a better light on catch a black man by the toe.
A weird ass poem about catching black people dangling by the toes taught to kids up to the 70s. Hell no I don't get it, thankfully.
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Well unfortunately for you it's not up too you if it's deemed offensive or not, many black people understandably find it offensive, are you denying their right to be offended
It's a very patronising and derogatory term, if you can't see that you're either stupid or a bigot!!
Well unfortunately for you it's not up too you if it's deemed offensive or not, many black people understandably find it offensive, are you denying their right to be offended
It's a very patronising and derogatory term, if you can't see that you're either stupid or a bigot!!
Are you denying his right to use the term?
No need to feel sympathy for me, I'm not the one trying to extricate myself from being called out. You know what you said and the sentiment behind it and so does everyone else, no need for me to belabour it any further...
Oh dear...I just do not know whether you are a joke or just joking. Either way, it's amusing.
You didn't read it, so of course you won't get it, or realise that it's not about catching black people.
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Population control never changes. We are distracted from the important subjects by superficially important trivia; panem et circenses.
Are you not entertained?
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No need to feel sympathy for me, I'm not the one trying to extricate myself from being called out.
More power too yah and you go girl. All the passive aggressiveness makes sense now... Like I said your too stubborn to accept it, and you will argue till you're blue in the face.
Jees I've made clear from the start I don't get it, instead of being a smart ass you could have just explained.
And you couldnt in all these replies just say that. Clearly that's what I was asking but I guess you just wanted to come across as witty from your initial tone sensing failure in a hostile manner. So the verses catch a black man by the toes is about what?
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Nope, I'm denying his claim that it's not offensive when the people of whom it describes clearly find it offensive and have so for many decades!
He can say it as much as he likes but don't be surprised if people think his either stupid or racist.
It lumps everyone who isn't white into the same group and implies white is some sort of standard or superior race
Why don't you just go read the bloody poem?
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I read this one, the rest of it doesn't seem to mean much
Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Mo,
Catch a *****r by his toe,
If he won't work then let him go;
Skidum, skidee, skidoo.
But when you get money, your little bride
Will surely find out where you hide,
So there's the door and when I count four,
Then out goes you.
I don't know seems the catch bit did mean what I thought it meant considering the following line. But apparently not, cas says it doesn't actually mean to catch a black man bye his toe.
Eeny, Meeny, Miny, Mo,
Catch a *****r by his toe,
If he won't work then let him go;
Skidum, skidee, skidoo.
But when you get money, your little bride
Will surely find out where you hide,
So there's the door and when I count four,
Then out goes you.
I don't know seems the catch bit did mean what I thought it meant considering the following line. But apparently not, cas says it doesn't actually mean to catch a black man bye his toe.
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Are you drinking? Or on medication?
Err...I did explain what the poem was and the expressions acceptance at the time it was written and that it did not become pejorative until long after the poem was written...your reply was the aggressive one, not mine. I even gave you the poem to read so you could see for yourself its a nonsense poem.
As I said earlier, its a nonsense poem about counting, its a game where 'you are it' such as been played by children for centuries. The terms used are not to be taken seriously...thus the irony in your replies thus far. Perhaps if you were not so outraged in the beginning you would have read my initial response and understood that.
Fact is your initial 'tone' was bigoted in itself and your subsequent claim that you were not serious only illustrates that you realise this, now if not before. Which makes all your subsequent wheedling and scheming all the more amusing.
If you read Kipling's poem it will tell you that the rhyme is gibberish....good god man, how many times does it need to be said?
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Oh I amuse you master, thank you master. My rage controls me like the hulk there for I could not see your enlightening posts for what they were
perhaps you read my initial post in the wrong accent, try again with let's say Eddie murphys tone of voice. Anyhow the pejorative part was about the term n***** which I never had issue with. My concern was always about catch black people by the toes and holla / if not work. Whether or not it was within a jibberish counting poem is pretty bad as still has meaning even back then. Black people ain't worth crap, and are objects and I was dismayed this was taught to children. Even if within a counting game the message is clear.
I am very tired though
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Oh I amuse you master, thank you master. My rage controls me like the hulk there for I could not see your enlightening posts for what they were
perhaps you read my initial post in the wrong accent, try again with let's day Eddie murphys tone of voice. Anyhow the pejorative part was about the term n***** which I never had issue with. My concern was always about catch black people by the toes and holla / if not work. Whether or not it was within a jibberish counting poem is pretty bad as still has meaning even back then. Black people ain't worth crap, and are objects and I was dismayed this was taught to children. Even if within a counting game the message is clear.
I am very tired though, even though the rhyme is jibberish the ramifications of that particular part still come through and pretty poor taste. And still find it weird / odd thing to include in a children's poem.
Stop making a fool of yourself and just read the flipping poem....the whole point is that the rhyme is gibberish. Kipling doesn't see the term as pejorative and in fact if you read the actual poem rather than just variations on the rhyme within that poem you will see that it refers to many things metaphorically and it is actually the opposite of what you say, the "if he hollers, let him go" is akin to the end of the slave trade, just as later in the poem Kipling uses that gibberish rhyme to illustrate the futility of war between nations. It a poem about duty, the innate duty to your fellow man and the futility of duty to power.
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Where does it say ""if he hollers, let him go" is akin to the end of the slave trade"
Why would you catch one by the toe, still shows a level of disregard to black people. Even with the "jibberish" it stands out. Don't get it, that verse seems out of place to the rest of the poem, even by their standards.
Why would you catch one by the toe, still shows a level of disregard to black people. Even with the "jibberish" it stands out. Don't get it, that verse seems out of place to the rest of the poem, even by their standards.
Did you read the poem?
I think it is quite clear that the passage refers to the bondage of people and the release of those people when they tell you to free them....a "let my people go" moment...the rest of the poem illustrates similar themes about duty and futility.
If you don't understand it fine, but don't stand there telling us what we should think or judging "white people" just because you don't understand a metaphor.