Poll: Winter Is Coming - HBO's A Game of Thrones [READ WARNING]

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Wow watched it last night with the missus and the ending was...wow brutal, to the extent that my missus couldnt watch it and i actually cringed and usually i dont get that put off by blood and gore.

Oberyn should have just killed him there and then rather than keep asking him to admit that he killed his sister and kids. Mind you the mountain did admit to it after the gruesome way he killed him.

But was a brilliant ending, quite gory by all intents.

As for the rest of the episode, quite a good one i have to say. Sansa lying for Baelish was an eye opener..perhaps all this deceit she has faced is now making her into a more cunning person but then it could be all an act to stay on the right side of Baelish so when the time comes she can make her escape...where to?? no idea.

Looking forward to the next episode, cant wait.
 
planty said:
Not sure if serious? It was posted after the episode aired.

I actually thought it was quite a weak episode apart from the last 10 minutes - even found myself getting bored during a Tyrion scene (:eek:), really didn't see the relevance of his story about the stupid cousin killing bugs.
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I too though the bug killing thing was weird. I thought there was going to be a good thought provoking/philosophical conclusion to it but in the end it just sort of fizzled out : /
 
Maccy said:
The episode aired in the UK on Monday evening, so it's not a spoiler if it's posted after it's been shown.
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I'm not clear either? :confused: There's clearly people coming into this thread who haven't watch the latest episode though?

Guess your take on it is what I'd expect. ie: If it's aired then it's not a spoiler!

That's the approach I'll adopt...

Yas786 said:
Sansa lying for Baelish was an eye opener..perhaps all this deceit she has faced is now making her into a more cunning person but then it could be all an act to stay on the right side of Baelish so when the time comes she can make her escape...where to?? no idea.
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It's interesting how the series has split up the books. Some of the threads are from book 3 (the principle story line), while others are well into book 4 (if I recall).
 
Jono8 said:
I too though the bug killing thing was weird. I thought there was going to be a good thought provoking/philosophical conclusion to it but in the end it just sort of fizzled out : /
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It was a great story and excellently acted dialogue, very captivating.
Perhaps it bore some similarity to the Mountain smashing Oberyn's head in?
 
Jono8 said:
I too though the bug killing thing was weird. I thought there was going to be a good thought provoking/philosophical conclusion to it but in the end it just sort of fizzled out : /
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Yes! I felt it was totally lost TBH! Didn't seem to have anything to do with the source material (books). The time could have been better spend elsewhere.
 
RedvGreen said:
Yea I felt that the bug killing Lannister story was going to lead to some reflective statement on Tyrion's current situation.... but no.
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Anyone else also feel the handling of Oberyn offering himself for the trial by combat was handled better in the book?

In the book he came to Tyrion during the trial and offered his services, and suggesting he should ask for trial by combat (if I recall)? There was also some lovely dialogue of how he recalled Tyrion being mistreated when younger! Where as in the TV series, Tyrion asked for trial by combat out of the blue, not knowing who/how he was going to full fill it?

I would have loved to have had Oberyn's dialogue about him witnessing Tyrion's horrible mistreatment when younger, than an X minute monologue about bugs :)
 
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The bug chat was utterly pointless, it does not drive the story forward, the bug killer guy died anyway so he won't surface in the show, it made no difference to the fate of him anyway. Apart from killing screen time for 3 minutes, what was the point of that? Another example of the padding they do on the show which does nothing whatsoever for either the character or the story.

Apart from that, good ending to the epsiode.
 
The best thing about the TV series is that they've changed quite a few details and run storylines from the books together. Means my missus, who's read the books is still interested and can't sit there with a smug look waiting for stuff to happen :D
 
feedtheram said:
I could tell something was up during the fight. He was being too cocky and as soon as the Mountain was down and he started shouting his mouth off I guessed what was going to happen. Wasn't quite expecting the brutal nature of it though.

Theon story is really boring me but everything else is pretty good.

I cant see Tyrion dying but the only way out would be if Jaime smuggles him out or the truth comes out that he was innocent. If he does die i will be really gutted.
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I've not seen any spoilers or read the books...

Theon's storyline is beyond pitiful. When his sister had her big rescue and it just turned into a wet blanket... I gave up on that storyline. The one glimmer of hope was him pretending to be himself (instead of Reek)... but that didn't work out too well.

I'm not sure why Varys hasn't exposed Littlefinger's plan yet - you'd think that his big network of 'little birds' would have put the pieces of Littlefinger and the Tyrell's plot together. Also nothing more about his weird mage/wizard in a box?

I suppose if it was found a draw or that Oberyn won/Mountain cheated/used dishonour that Tyrion could get pardoned, but I doubt that would happen now that Tywin has decreed that Tyrion is to be executed. Plus Cersei really has it in badly for her brother, and she would have arranged his death even if he won the trial!
 
Tyrions conversation about the bug killing didn't have an obvious conclusion to it, but that I think was the point - mindless killing is found everywhere in the world and you can't always put logic or reason behind it.
 
Magik5 said:
Tyrions conversation about the bug killing didn't have an obvious conclusion to it, but that I think was the point - mindless killing is found everywhere in the world and you can't always put logic or reason behind it.
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You don't need that speech to tell you that, this is Game of Thrones, look how much "mindless killing" has happened already !
 
Raymond Lin said:
The bug chat was utterly pointless, it does not drive the story forward, the bug killer guy died anyway so he won't surface in the show, it made no difference to the fate of him anyway. Apart from killing screen time for 3 minutes, what was the point of that? Another example of the padding they do on the show which does nothing whatsoever for either the character or the story.

Apart from that, good ending to the epsiode.
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Yes it could have been done better and yes there wasn't any big philisophical conclusion to that conversation but it was quite a funny scene and Tyrion was questioning Oberyn's fighting ability so was scene of a dead man reminiscing about his past. Also I thought it really did highlight that Jamie is the one person who actually cares for Tyrion, everyone see's him just as a dwarf but to Jamie he is his brother.

RedvGreen said:
I suppose if it was found a draw or that Oberyn won/Mountain cheated/used dishonour that Tyrion could get pardoned, but I doubt that would happen now that Tywin has decreed that Tyrion is to be executed. Plus Cersei really has it in badly for her brother, and she would have arranged his death even if he won the trial!
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I am going for the mountain is dead so a draw (or something similar) is called or Jamie sneaks him out of kings landing. Either way I can see Tyrion joining the black, Cersei being unhappy about it but Tywin bringing her round to the idea as he looses all right to the Lannister name etc. Also Tyrions deviousness could be useful in marshalling the watch against future attacks from white walkers.
 
Definitely wasn't a draw, Oberyn died first, thus he lost. It doesn't matter if the mountain died a second after, an hour after or a month after, whoever dies first, loses.

I can easily see Jaime having something to do with Tyrion's escape though (If he does escape). He and Varys gave each other a look at the end of the last episode, and Varys said that he never forgets anything in Tyrion's trial, so I would hope Varys helps Jaime smuggle Tyrion out of Kings Landing.

Theon's storyline is beyond pitiful. When his sister had her big rescue and it just turned into a wet blanket... I gave up on that storyline. The one glimmer of hope was him pretending to be himself (instead of Reek)... but that didn't work out too well.
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His sister going to rescue him was made just for the shows I'm told, so that's why it fell flat, it could have never gone anywhere to make any impact to any character. Alfie is excellent at playing Reek, Reek is truly a broken and pitiful man and you just feel sorry for him, even after all he did. I do hope his storyline becomes more interesting now, as Ramsay Bolton is giving him more and more trust I am waiting for the day when Theon rams a sword through his head (I can hope).
 
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Yas786 said:
As for the rest of the episode, quite a good one i have to say. Sansa lying for Baelish was an eye opener..perhaps all this deceit she has faced is now making her into a more cunning person but then it could be all an act to stay on the right side of Baelish so when the time comes she can make her escape...where to?? no idea.
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I think finding out that Baelish just wants to get in her pants (and inheritance) finally woke Sansa up to the fact that the damsel-in-distress/knight-in-shining-armour stories she loved so much don't really translate into the real world. She has realised that no one is coming to save her, so she has to find a way to make the best of her situation herself.
 
I may be wrong, but I took the scene with the bug crushing speech to be an attempt to try and draw us into the murderous and cold mind of the Mountain.
 
What an ending!

I was furious at Oberyn for not just ending the Mountain, but what a twist. Tyrion will not die, we all know this. I think Jamie will have a "hand" (parden the pun) in helping him escape. For me the programme wouldn't be half as good without Peter Dinklage in it, so I haven't read the books, but if the plot was to kill off Tyrion, I hope the TV series goes a different route. The rest of the story lines are terrible.
 
robfosters said:
I may be wrong, but I took the scene with the bug crushing speech to be an attempt to try and draw us into the murderous and cold mind of the Mountain.
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I thought that it was just another scene to emphasise the love Jaime has for his brother and how close they had grown. It could give a bit of backup to Jaime's motivation if he does indeed end up helping Tyrion escape (that's just my prediction by the way - not read that far in the books).

Maybe he will escape across the sea and help Danny finish building an army to take back Westeros. I can just see Tyrion riding in on the back of a dragon while flames engulf his father and sister.
 
I really hope that Tyrion manages to get out of his situation. My first interest has always been in the White Walkers and the situation above the Wall. After that, Tyrion holds my attention. The rest is just filler that I can take or leave.
 
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