Apple owners strange behaviour

RedvGreen said:
How is that a fair comparison really? What were the respective prices back then? What metrics are you using to compare usability?

If someone came to me with a 9yr old laptop, i'd have to question their ability to gauge speed, performance and expections of laptops etc. Also, question their ability to let go of the miser-within!
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Price wise they were more or less the same £30 difference, mac being the higher.

Performance is easy, the PowerPC was made obsolete (remember it was obsolete when it was well under 9 years old). And the old PowerPC graphics chipset was no match for Intel.

Also note it's not my main laptop, it's kept as a spare/media player, the screen is pretty much only matched or bettered by £800+ laptops today, and the 1280 x 800 res over the 1366 x 768 standard is preferred . :P

Tbf there are no fair comparisons between Macs and PCs, as Apple have such a limited range. In these discussion it tend to be the PC that has to match the apple extremely limited line up and when they can't apple win by default? :/

In reality both will have positive and negative points.
 
LordSplodge said:
Whilst "just works" is clearly never going to be true in terms of desktop computing, I've found OSX to e much closer to "just works" than Windows. If I didn't need Windows for my day job I'd gladly not use it (I use a Mac at work and I'm trying to do as much as I can in OSX)
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The problem with "It Just Works" is that firstly, it's a marketing slogan that people have picked up on and ran with, and secondly, to be considered valid it can't deviate from the it "just works" claim because then it means it doesn't "just work" but works with problems at times.

People often take a preference they have to mean something works better in some way, rather than it just being preference. OSX isn't this magical bug free, hassle free OS that "It Just Works" strongly suggests, it has bugs and problems, as does Windows. I haven't used OSX much, though when I have used it I didn't really find any issues, I just didn't like how the work flow was for doing things, which would break the notion that "It Just Works" to some degree.

I think it'd be best for everyone, if marketing slogans weren't used in debates and arguments on the merits for and against Apple computers. Personally, I'm not a fan of OSX, I do like its aesthetics though, and when it comes to laptops, you can't really get any more aesthetically pleasing than macbooks, so if I were buying purely on looks, I'd be choosing a Macbook all day err day, but it'd be getting Windows installed on it, as some of the software I'd use doesn't work on OSX.

Though I wouldn't mind trying out OSX on a daily basis, I have made a hackintosh in the past, and I'd like to make one again to try and get to grips with the OS properly, so I can feel fully informed when it comes to the merits of OSX versus Windows.
 
"It Just Works" isn't a reference to perceived reliability, it was coined around the XP era IIRC to describe the difference between (for example) buying a printer listed as Mac compatible, plugging it in over USB, and having it appear in your Printers list and be usable within seconds.

Compared to the Windows experience which was put in the bloatware driver CD, plug the USB cable in at the right moment, install 50 thousand helper applications ensuring you buy expensive ink, and enjoying print spooler crashing awesomeness.

The incredibly open nature of the Windows platform that has made it so popular is also responsible for the utterly toilet user experience. Plugging in a printer shouldn't prompt a driver download that pops up messages about product registration and links to purchase replacement inks from, but Microsoft seem quite happy to let their OS get tarnished by that sort of crap.
 
Caged said:
"It Just Works" isn't a reference to perceived reliability, it was coined around the XP era IIRC to describe the difference between (for example) buying a printer listed as Mac compatible, plugging it in over USB, and having it appear in your Printers list and be usable within seconds.

Compared to the Windows experience which was put in the bloatware driver CD, plug the USB cable in at the right moment, install 50 thousand helper applications ensuring you buy expensive ink, and enjoying print spooler crashing awesomeness.

The incredibly open nature of the Windows platform that has made it so popular is also responsible for the utterly toilet user experience. Plugging in a printer shouldn't prompt a driver download that pops up messages about product registration and links to purchase replacement inks from, but Microsoft seem quite happy to let their OS get tarnished by that sort of crap.
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Of course, but it's still a marketing slogan that people shouldn't really be using in the way they do, as whenever I see it used it's used as an all encompassing term to refer to the reliability of the Apple hardware.

People have and still do say the same about iPhones, iPads, and any other Apple products which came out AFTER The whole "It Just Works" campaign started and ended.
 
MagicBoy said:
It's an ambiguous term, hence asking for clarification. No need to take my head off!



Eh Oh. Can of worms opened! Surely they'd be Lenovo Compatibles now. ;)
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I wasn't taking your head off, I was just going straight to the point. I also wouldn't say the term "PC" is ambiguous, it might be a broad term, sure but there isn't any ambiguity about it unless you're talking form factor. Like it's not exactly clear what form factor you may be referring to when you say "PC", as it can be used for both laptop and desktop computers, as well as other form factors.
 
I think to be fair though that if we are talking about a scale for ease of use out of the box, product reliability along with security, then Apple would be high up most consumers list. I don't think that is a false perception either.

One of the things that helps Apple in this respect is its closed nature along with manufacturing oversight by Apple, whilst conversely it's what harms Windows. This open nature is also now an issue for the likes of Android too.
 
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