**Unofficial Tyre Thread**

Gibbo mentioned his PSS cost a little more but has had them loads longer than other tyres on the car in the same usage scenarios.

They do seem to have some outrageous wear rate for a performance tyre. Gibbo is the best person to ask. I just with Michelin would make them in a size that fit my car.
 
I don't think I'll be doing that mileage, but maybe close to depending on work and where I'm staying. Which tyre in particular? The Pilot Sport 3?

It's just you mentioned upto 30k pa in your wanted thread, what's the size of tyre going on? PS3 is the midrange now I was referring to the super sport
 
Size is 255/35/19.

Mileage may be that, I did 20k in the Focus last year and I will be working further away from home so there's a good chance it will be 30k.
 
Size is 255/35/19.

Mileage may be that, I did 20k in the Focus last year and I will be working further away from home so there's a good chance it will be 30k.

f lol

700 for super sports and 640 for F1's delivered

Have you considered a car with a proper side wall and diameter?
 
So! Anyone know the cheapest place to get 4 x 235/45/17 97XL Asymmetric 2's delivered from? Or even one of these companies that subby out fitting (Asda).

I've been looking at camskill, black circles etc but just wondered if I've missed any.
 
So! Anyone know the cheapest place to get 4 x 235/45/17 97XL Asymmetric 2's delivered from? Or even one of these companies that subby out fitting (Asda).

I've been looking at camskill, black circles etc but just wondered if I've missed any.

I got my F1A2s (235/45/17) supplied and fitted at Halfords Autocentre a couple months back. Think I paid about 120-125 a corner. They were happy to match internet pricing too.
 
So last night I borrowed a set of 18's on Contisport Contact 5's and stuck them on the F10.

It's like driving a different car. It's smooth, refined, reasonably quiet, soaks up the imperfections in the road perfectly - infact its everything you'd expect a 5 Series to be. I'm dreading putting my 19's back on.

I need my car to drive like this all the time.

So, my options are:

a) A set of 18's with 245/45/18 non Runflat's all round. There is a staggered fitment available for the F10 but the rear tyre size is 275/40/18 which appears to have almost zero availability of decent tyres. It's a very unique size so you can get the odd Porsche specific Pirelli or the range of BMW approved Runflats. So I'd go with a square, not staggered, setup.

b) My existing, or a new, set of 19's with 245/40/19 F and 275/35/19 R non Runflats.

B is my preferred option I think but I'm very keen on keeping the way the car currently rides and handles. I need to try and work out how much of that is not having the awful Goodyear Excellent runflats and how much of that is the tyre size. Interestingly my E39 also rides and handles beautifully and that's on 235/40/18 front and 265/35/18 rear.

Some sidewall calculations..

F10 18's: 110mm sidewall
F10 19's: 96mm rear 98mm front sidewall
E39 18's: 93mm rear, 94mm front sidewall

My logic is telling me that if the E39 rides fine on it's 18's, then an F10 on 19's without RFT's should be equally good if not better as it actually has more sidewall?

Thoughts?
 
I'd go with the 19's then, less faff trying to find the correct size, and the F1A2 sidewalls should have a lot more flex than what you have on now which will improve the ride quality.
 
Stick with the 19s, the 18s sounds like you would need to declare this as a modification to your insurance co and it isn't worth the hassle over the 19s.
Your main issue is going to be £400 of tyre which you will likely have to write off since I doubt you will get anything like that value back. Your best option there might even be to sell the 19" wheels with the tyres on and buy some more F10 19" wheels with tat on..
 
Thought I'd post an update on my Goodyear Ultragrip 8 winter tyres.

Originally put on the car (53 plate Focus 1.6) 6th December 2011 @ 66432 miles.

Been very happy with the performance and apparently their ability to last a while too so bought another identical set which were fitted a couple of weeks ago (25th July 2014) @ 103301 miles.


Shifted front to back as I got to each subsequent winter period for best traction on the drive tyres... so they've managed 3 winters and almost 37k miles.
 
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Not really good timing, torrential rain in summer is about as bad as it gets for winter tyres. I have those for my girlfriends mini but take them off for summer, don't kid yourself that they are anything other than a poor choice for the current conditions.
 
Come now fox, not the same old 'winter tyre bad in UK' routine. :confused:

They manage to run winters year round in warmer countries than ours so if it's such a bad choice I wonder why they choose to happily do it that way.

Like I've said on many occasions in the past they provide even predictable performance year round with no dangerous shift from good grip to poor simply due to a fleeting rain shower plus I've found them to wear well despite quite spirited driving for the most part. I know they won't beat summer tyres in the summer 'shock horror' but the performance is perfectly good for me.

Yes it's my opinion but it's also the opinion of several other friends and family too... many of whom run them year round like me due to having smaller wheel sizes - makes good sense from both a cost and performance perspective. No point in the cost of extra rims + finding space to store the unused set when the performance/mileage benefit is hugely negligeable.

Overall I don't think it's a poor choice as you put it... I actually think it's a pretty good one!
 
It makes no sense from a cost or performance perspective. They will wear quicker in summer and they cost more to replace than normal tyres, therefore by swapping back to a set of conventional tyres through the summer months you actually save money as you reduce tyre wear and the tyre wear you do incur is incurred on cheaper tyres.

You obviously care enough about tyre performance to have purchased them in the first place so it’s somewhat odd that you suddenly don’t care in the wet summer months. Your current tyres are poor in the current conditions, the very tread pattern that makes winter tyres useful in wintry conditions hampers the tyres performance in standing water so your claim that you are glad you’ve fitted a set given the current weather is somewhat bizarre.

I’m not going to tell you that winter tyres are a waste of time, especially in the Lake District, but using them all year round is just a pointless waste of money – you increase your overall tyre bill and reduce your tyre performance. Why would you do that? It’s totally pointless!

Remember, whilst you are using your summer tyres you are inflicting zero wear on your winter tyres, so your expensive winter tyres last longer…

As I said, I have exactly the same Goodyear Ultragrip 8’s tucked away in the garage so I’m hardly preaching with zero experience. But in the garage they will stay until late October at the earliest (and frankly with last winter being, shock, a typical English one I’d find it hard to disagree with anyone who said me buying them in the first place was a bit pointless :D)
 
Can anyone recommend a decent set of tyres for light off road use, that are also acceptable for frequent road use?

Perhaps an odd/niche request so here's the context....we have a 2005 X-Trail 2.2DCI which my girlfriend uses for her hobby (horses). The car is currently shod with Nankang road tyres which have been adequate. However, they will need replacing before the end of the year, and I'd like to think about getting something that's a bit more useful off road - by off road, I'm talking about muddy farm tracks and soaking wet fields; nothing too hardcore, but terrain which can be a problem come the winter. Eventually the Xtrail might be asked to tow a horse too, so good traction in such scenarios is going to be desirable.

I'm aware you can get proper hardcore knobbly 4x4 tyres, but the thing is, the car still spends a lot of time on the road, where I gather these aren't ideal. Hence the query - are there any sort of 'hybrid' tyres on the market that offer a good mix of on road performance while also being suited to rougher terrain? I'm afraid I know little about this market.

Tyre size is 225/55R17 accroding to Blackcircles (might actually be different, I can't remember...I'll check and amend the post later). I'm not in desperate need at the moment, but would like to start looking around, so does anyone have any suggestions?
 
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I appreciate what you're saying but for me over and above the importance of cost comes the shift of feel from dry to wet to cold roads and the safety that inherrantly provides. I'm not sure if you've driven you gf's car on the winters much but certainly for me they didn't degrade in feel like any summer tyres I've used and seemed to provide a similarly predictable type or grip and control on a wet, cold or wet cold road to that on a dry.

The wear level is also acceptable for the benefits I feel I'm getting. TBH 36-37k miles is perfectly fine in my mind and reflects well against standard summer tyres I've had (in fact the summers were likely effected by the fact I had little grip in the winter anyway meaning wearing probably wasn't even happening to the same degree! :D). All in the actual yearly cost of these sits under £100 for me.

If I were to get summer tyres too I'd need to get extra rims or have the tyres swapped each time (cost), then either make space in the house (not happenning) or have them stored (more cost) to maybe gain a couple of thousand miles max if previous experience is anything to go by. That is just not worth it.


P.S: With regards to your standing water comment have you actually seen any testing re: winter tyres vs summer tyres in the wet? I only ask because I saw one a while back which had a video review suggesting the opposite. Showed that they were infact very well suited to keeping a car under control in extremely wet conditions like that.

I'll see if I can find the link to the review...


Not the video but found a tyre test site with group testing information: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2013-Auto-Bild-SUV-4x4-Winter-Tyre-Test.htm

Specific quote here:

The summer tyre took the advantage in wet handling and braking, but again the best winter wasn't far behind, with the Dunlop and Goodyear almost matching the summer tyre in the handling and braking tests respectively. During the curved aquaplaning tests the winter tyres dominated, proving they're far more effective at dealing with the standing water we experience in our long, wet winters.

Like I said - I know they won't compete toe to toe with summer tyres but they do perfectly well and then are obviously better with road hazards like standing water and ice. Standing water is a particular issue here since roads are rarely flat, are poorly surfaced and often don't drain.
 
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I found a review in Autocar. With the very best winter tyre, it took 7.1metres longer to stop than a strictly midrange summer tyre at 10c in the wet.

Now imagine the difference if they compared it to the best summer tyre available. At 25c. In either the wet or dry. That 7.1 metres would be turning into 13-14metres. Winter tyres at the moment are the furthest out of their operating window they could possibly be and even midrange summer tyres would be better at 25c.

I'm still wondering why no tyre place has done a tyre test with Michelin PSS, Goodyear Eagle F1 and Continental Sport Contact 5 Vs Michelin Alpine, Goodyear Ultragrip 8's and Continental WinterContact's in the wet and dry at 0c, 7c, 15c and 25c.

Surely that's not hard to do?!
 
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