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Very sad, sorry for the OPs colleague. However it could be worse, look at Syria where failure to intervene has resulted in the rise of the Islamic State. Hopefully the unrest will subside quickly and a stable government can be formed. It's not like we never had civil wars in this country.
 
Very sad, sorry for the OPs colleague. However it could be worse, look at Syria where failure to intervene has resulted in the rise of the Islamic State. Hopefully the unrest will subside quickly and a stable government can be formed. It's not like we never had civil wars in this country.

what are you talking about?
 
Iraq,Syria,Libya,Boko Haram,Isis,Hamas anyone notice the trend? The Islamic world is falling apart.


/Popcorn time for the west
 
Very sad, sorry for the OPs colleague. However it could be worse, look at Syria where failure to intervene has resulted in the rise of the Islamic State. Hopefully the unrest will subside quickly and a stable government can be formed. It's not like we never had civil wars in this country.

Well actually the US wanted to back the 'rebels' which are in fact ISIS.
 
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Very sad, sorry for the OPs colleague. However it could be worse, look at Syria where failure to intervene has resulted in the rise of the Islamic State. Hopefully the unrest will subside quickly and a stable government can be formed. It's not like we never had civil wars in this country.


Haha intervene? Sorry why would you want us to go topple Bashar so Isis Muslims can rape every last Alawite and Christian left in Syria? We did intervene, We gave the rebels weapons in secret which in turn caused some to split and defect to Isis. And they took the weapons with them.


The reason people are toppling them is because America believes in Democracy, And as such if you look through history you will find they will back people to get democracy, Even if that means screwing over the minority like it would be doing if there was a democracy in Syria. The Sunni would do god knows what to that country if they get power. The right thing to do was to back whoever was the most sane so in Libya that would be no one and in Syria it would be Assad.
 
Well actually the US wanted to back the 'rebels' which are in fact ISIS.

That's quite obviously nonsense, at no time has ISIS lacked backing. The only reason why ISIS were able to gain a foothold in Syria was because the Free Syrian Army, a moderate group of Sunnis, received no backing from the West.
 
FSA are not moderates let's put that Muslim lie to bed here and now. Moderates do not use AK-47 machine guns or kill people. FSA are nothing more than another Sunni mob just like Isis.


This whole Isis v FSA is a sham cover, You can watch them sometimes have ceasefires and even join togeather against other militias. But i suppose unless you go find the exact Youtube video of it then that is a lie too. I watched the guy go through an Isis checkpoint and talk to them asking permission. And the guy was from the FSA!! And his own words to his men were not to go past the checkpoint as it could be an ambush but it never came.

So much for fighting Isis!
 
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That's quite obviously nonsense, at no time has ISIS lacked backing. The only reason why ISIS were able to gain a foothold in Syria was because the Free Syrian Army, a moderate group of Sunnis, received no backing from the West.

you are so uninformed it's like you do it on purpose, I could google and find you news articles about some of the funds going to the FSA ending up in the hands of ISIS

It was widely reported months back
 
How on earth is it our fault?

Because we armed the rebels. Then when they disposed Gaddafi we left Libya with a weak military. Given the focus of wealth going to Tripoli it was natural that the local tribes would start demanding their "fair share" of oil money. Being as well equipped as the the army makes it difficult for the government to rule.

It's not a coincidence the fighting at Tripoli airport is between two militia groups, with the army nowhere to be seen. Also during the "strikes" at the oil plants all you had was the government talking about attacking but not doing anything as they did not have the ability. You only need to look at their inability to stop the rebel oil tanker from leaving port.
 
UN says otherwise...
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2011/sc10200.doc.htm

don't let western propaganda get in the way of your thoughts on the subject though

erm I'm not - perhaps try reading your own link instead of just the title - it wasn't just a no fly zone.... people just assumed that when the press headlines mentioned a 'no fly zone' then got surprised when we started bombing people.

Authorizes Member States that have notified the Secretary-General, acting nationally or through regional organizations or arrangements, and acting in cooperation with the Secretary-General, to take all necessary measures, notwithstanding paragraph 9 of resolution 1970 (2011), to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory, and requests the Member States concerned to inform the Secretary-General immediately of the measures they take pursuant to the authorization conferred by this paragraph which shall be immediately reported to the Security Council;

It authorized pretty much anything up to an actual invasion/occupation in order to protect civilians which is pretty much what happened.
 
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Because we armed the rebels. Then when they disposed Gaddafi we left Libya with a weak military. Given the focus of wealth going to Tripoli it was natural that the local tribes would start demanding their "fair share" of oil money. Being as well equipped as the the army makes it difficult for the government to rule.

It's not a coincidence the fighting at Tripoli airport is between two militia groups, with the army nowhere to be seen. Also during the "strikes" at the oil plants all you had was the government talking about attacking but not doing anything as they did not have the ability. You only need to look at their inability to stop the rebel oil tanker from leaving port.

If we intervened in Syria people could point the blame at us and say everything beyond that intervention is our fault... It really isn't though - Libya would have faced serious issues regardless.
 
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