Well thank god were in England. What part of its a backwards and poor country with messed up laws didn't you get?
Do you think if I enjoyed it there or Iraq I'd be sitting here drinking southern comfort?
ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion
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Well thank god were in England. What part of its a backwards and poor country with messed up laws didn't you get?
Do you think if I enjoyed it there or Iraq I'd be sitting here drinking southern comfort?
Haha OK now I'm lost. I can't see the relevance of your question in regards to my post so was hoping you'd clarify. Why so touchy?
Osama? Considering even Al-Qaeda think IS are a bunch of nutters probably not.
Yeah I think the whole "too brutal for Al-Queda" a bit of hyperbole, from what I've read about the schism between AQ and IS it is basically because the IS leadership didn't want to follow orders issued by AQ Command, so split. AQ are still a bunch of *****.
Seems like I can't find any links to this "anti-IS protest happening in 40 minutes at 10 Downing Street" either.
I did find a 22,000 strong petition by muslims to remove Maajid Nawaz from his post as MP, for alledged Islamophobia and defamation of the prophet
http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/nick-clegg-remove-maajid-nawaz-as-ppc-for-hampstead-kilburn
So I guess he doesn't really speak for muslims.
So... got a link to this anti-ISIS muslim protest? Or did you make it up?
There is a protest tonight - I thought it was organised by UK based Yazidis rather than Muslims though.
Ah there we go:
http://www.corbisimages.com/stock-p...ity-against-isis-protest-held-outside-downing
In association with the British Pakistani Christian Assocation.
And we've already established that Maajid Nawaz does not speak for the muslims, as any Google seach will show, they hate him.
LOL at trying to use this protest as evidence that muslims are against ISIS. It's not their protest, and I can see no evidence of any muslim organisation taking part in it.
A Christian group organised it. @tbyeah, who is spouting crap again?
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Seeing this today guys? Thousands of refugees stuck on a mountain fleeing Iraq?
US and UK jumping too to go and help these people get to safety and to provide aid for the thousands that have arrived in camps outside of Iraq.
I am all for helping these people but what about the hundreds of thousands being besieged in Gaza Pfft.
Oh well cant do everything at once.
So many are fleeing Iraq, I hope they get out safely as I cant imagine what it must be like with IS over your shoulder.
US and UK jumping too to go and help these people get to safety and to provide aid for the thousands that have arrived in camps outside of Iraq.
I am all for helping these people but what about the hundreds of thousands being besieged in Gaza Pfft.
Oh well cant do everything at once.
So many are fleeing Iraq, I hope they get out safely as I cant imagine what it must be like with IS over your shoulder.
Do you know any Muslims at all?
The vast and silent majority do not hate Maajid Nawaz, they support him as a public representative of their moderate views. He is the counter to stereotypes such as yours.
There is a heavy Muslim presence at the protest, with several high profile Muslim speakers there (including Maajid).
The main reason for that petition is that he posted a Jesus and Mo cartoon, which while I fail to see how it can possibly be offensive, many Muslims found it to be so.
The vast and silent majority do not hate Maajid Nawaz, they support him as a public representative of their moderate views. He is the counter to stereotypes such as yours.
There is a heavy Muslim presence at the protest, with several high profile Muslim speakers there (including Maajid).
The main reason for that petition is that he posted a Jesus and Mo cartoon, which while I fail to see how it can possibly be offensive, many Muslims found it to be so.
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Well since he recently drew a picture of the "prophet" and Jesus standing together, he's a lot less popular with muslims who actually practice their faith
You did know he did that, right? You know that since doing that he's received death threats from muslims, yes?
You did click on that 22,000 signature petition by muslims to have him removed as an MP? You did, right?
[edit: Anyway, if you're going to use him as an example of a moderate muslim then you and I are in agreement. I said earlier that moderate muslims are those who don't practice their religion. By the letter of the law, drawing a picture of the "prophet" means you get stoned to death. So the fact that he did this means he's basically choosing to ignore parts of the religion. So yes, he's a moderate then.
If we defined moderates as people who ignore some of the teaching of Islam for the sake of being "normal", then he's a moderate.
But people who adhere to all the teachings of Islam are not moderate by any definition]
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Nice to see another thread descend into the usual 'dem der muslamics' thread.
There have been some excellent points raised unfortunately hidden behind the usual posters here blinded by their Islam hatred.
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/look-at-...biggest-protest-in-world-history#.U-u38PldWgv
Maybe you should think about root causes.....
Its about time we started holding our leaders to account.......
There have been some excellent points raised unfortunately hidden behind the usual posters here blinded by their Islam hatred.
http://stopwar.org.uk/news/look-at-...biggest-protest-in-world-history#.U-u38PldWgv
Maybe you should think about root causes.....
Its about time we started holding our leaders to account.......
Well then perhaps we're getting somewhere after all.
Would you say that moderate muslims have to (or choose to) ignore some of the teaching of Islam? Basically have to reject some of the teaching as incompatible with their own moral code?
Really shows my ignorance on the subject. I thought it was an all or nothing situation.
Yes, and I never stated otherwise. Your point?
I didn't think you'd agree that moderate muslims are essentially non-practising or only partly accepting of the teachings.
So I guess if that is a moderate muslim, then I don't have anything against that.
But you can see that if someone did accept all the teachings that they'd be essentially an extremist.
So I guess the problem is that some muslims accept the whole teaching, which we seem to be in agreement is a bad thing.
I guess the next question is, should the teaching of Islam be re-written to remove the bad stuff?
The world is not binary. Many religions are "followed" by people who pick and choose to suit themselves, but they are also followed by progressives who filter in today's wealth of information.
Logically it does not make sense to myself, but I still respect it. I sit opposite a 64 year old Jehovah Witness when at the Liverpool office and the guy is so inquisitive and open minded I had no idea he was even religious until he told me many months later.
We have some quite in depth discussions at times, he found out I studied astrophysics and became quite engaging regarding what he sees as 'my beliefs', in a very nice way, he is always asking questions from a very logical and almost scientific standpoint - yet still believes his ancient book.
I think holding this belief is why you have such a weighted opinion. Do some reading into the interpretations, as there are many, and then hopefully you'll realise it can be twisted into whatever agenda is wished.
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Quite right I cant argue that. I know it happens in Christianity but for some reason I thought Islam was different
I thought either you followed the book to the letter or you were not considered a Muslim by other Muslims. I guess whomever is defining the "letters" to everyone else would be the ones who could be deemed as an extremist or not.As I said ignorance
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