Arizona nine-year old in Uzi gun lesson accident

[Rroff]

It does

Try this;
32,000 per year

over 79 years, that's 2,528,000 deaths.

During that time you, as an individual of average lifespan (79years) are one of 318,000,000 in the country (assuming steady population). 318,000,000 divided by 2,528,000 is 126. One in 126 chance you will be one of the ~2.5 million who die in your lifetime.

To put it another way, if life expectancy is 79 years, and population is 318 million, then 318 million people will die over the next 79 years (assuming a flat age distribution), of which 2.5 million will die by firearm

The US isn't a good metric though for what would nominally happen with allowing general ownership of firearms - the Swiss for instance have very similar levels of gun crime to ourselves yet have over 9x the amount of firearms owned by civilians, Canada has a pretty high density of ownership yet gun related crime is minuscule compared to the US (this is ratio based - not comparing on the raw number of incidents) and there are other parts of the world where firearm ownership is much much lower than the US yet have higher rates of gun related crime and homicides.

There is a lot more to it than simple maths.

 

[Judgeneo]

It does

Try this;
32,000 per year

over 79 years, that's 2,528,000 deaths.

During that time you, as an individual of average lifespan (79years) are one of 318,000,000 in the country (assuming steady population). 318,000,000 divided by 2,528,000 is 126. One in 126 chance you will be one of the ~2.5 million who die in your lifetime.

To put it another way, if life expectancy is 79 years, and population is 318 million, then 318 million people will die over the next 79 years (assuming a flat age distribution), of which 2.5 million will die by firearm

2.5million deaths per year
32,000 caused by firearms.
Therefore 1.28% chance of death by firearm
So actually worse than your stats.

 

[cheesyboy]

The US isn't a good metric though for what would nominally happen with allowing general ownership of firearms - the Swiss for instance have very similar levels of gun crime to ourselves yet have over 9x the amount of firearms owned by civilians, Canada has a pretty high density of ownership yet gun related crime is minuscule compared to the US (this is ratio based - not comparing on the raw number of incidents) and there are other parts of the world where firearm ownership is much much lower than the US yet have higher rates of gun related crime and homicides.

There is a lot more to it than simple maths.

I was simply drawing attention to the USA's frightening level of gun death.

That said:
USA's gun deaths per head are miles ahead of any other developed country.
However, whilst its gun ownership is also higher, there are some in the same ball park, such as the Scandinavian countries, France, Germany, Switzerland: all have around 1/3rd as many guns per head. All, apart from Germany, also have around 1/3rd as many gun deaths per head.

Coincidence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Note, though, that USA's Homicide rate streaks ahead of ALL the others by a lon, long way.

 

[molinari]

Tragic news, but as most others have said, it's ridiculous to even think it's a good idea for a 9 year old to shoot an automatic gun.

 

[Stretch]

I defend the right for my 9 year old child to (accidentally) kill a 39 year old family man with an automatic weapon.

Burgers 'n Gunz... it's the American way.

 

[Rroff]

I was simply drawing attention to the USA's frightening level of gun death.

That said:
USA's gun deaths per head are miles ahead of any other developed country.
However, whilst its gun ownership is also higher, there are some in the same ball park, such as the Scandinavian countries, France, Germany, Switzerland: all have around 1/3rd as many guns per head. All, apart from Germany, also have around 1/3rd as many gun deaths per head.

Coincidence?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Note, though, that USA's Homicide rate streaks ahead of ALL the others by a lon, long way.

Problem with those numbers there is no uniformity in the sample size (in terms of years).

 

[D.P.]

The US isn't a good metric though for what would nominally happen with allowing general ownership of firearms - the Swiss for instance have very similar levels of gun crime to ourselves yet have over 9x the amount of firearms owned by civilians, Canada has a pretty high density of ownership yet gun related crime is minuscule compared to the US (this is ratio based - not comparing on the raw number of incidents) and there are other parts of the world where firearm ownership is much much lower than the US yet have higher rates of gun related crime and homicides.

There is a lot more to it than simple maths.

Switzerland has 13x the homicide rate of the UK, despite gun ownership being related to conscription and so the gun owners are military trained.
Overall gun related deaths in Switzerland are 15.36 times higher than the UK.

 

[cheesyboy]

Problem with those numbers there is no uniformity in the sample size (in terms of years).

Are you saying there is enough uncertainty in the figures as for them to be useless? Or simply that we should allow for a margin of error?

Any opinions on the picture I outlined?

 

[Mark A]

The kid came very close to shooting herself in the face . Probably didn't even want to be doing that at her age anyway but forced into it by her gun nut parents.

 

[jh30uk]

Just read the story before and I actually facepalmed.

America really is full of dumb people.

So is UK and we have no guns allowed.

In some other countries they tech them how to blow themselves up with suicide vests at that age.

 

[Rroff]

Switzerland has 13x the homicide rate of the UK, despite gun ownership being related to conscription and so the gun owners are military trained.
Overall gun related deaths in Switzerland are 15.36 times higher than the UK.

Are you saying there is enough uncertainty in the figures as for them to be useless? Or simply that we should allow for a margin of error?

Any opinions on the picture I outlined?

The figures for the UK are from one year and also distorted due to the difference in the UK in reporting gun crime compared to most of the rest of the world - the Swiss figures are from a number of years - if you look at wider data the Swiss figures are about 10-15% higher on average than the UK IIRC.

Likewise the rest of the data is a mixture of sample sizes, while not entirely useless they don't allow for spikes within the sample size that might not be representative of the overall normal.

EDIT: There is even a notation on the page that the data is lacking due to a lack of a standardised reporting mechanism and reliable sources.

 

[jh30uk]

In last secs of this video you can see gun pull to left (out of sight behind her body).

 

[kwerk]

Its like instructing a 9 year old how to use a 36" chainsaw. Not the best judgement to put it mildly, but should chainsaws be banned when the 9 yr old cuts off an arm?

 

[Tombo]

Mental 32,000 deaths per year!

Al-Qaeda need not shoot at Americans just send them weapons and they will wipe themselves out.

Reduce that number by about 15-20,000 to account for suicides and it isn't quite as alarming.

Can't drink until 21 but using an SMG at 9 is OK. Brilliant.

False equivalence surely, you can't buy alcohol until you're 21 but in most states you can drink it if it's bought for you by a parent for example, it's perfectly legal for a 9 year old to drink alcohol in this country as well.

 

[Judgeneo]

In last secs of this video you can see gun pull to left (out of sight behind her body).

 

[Tombo]

I've just realised, thats the video that the parents took right?

If your daughter had just killed a man, what on earth would possess you to put the video online?

I doubt they did, the police probably wanted to see it and it got leaked to the media that way.

 

[Tunney]

False equivalence surely, you can't buy alcohol until you're 21 but in most states you can drink it if it's bought for you by a parent for example, it's perfectly legal for a 9 year old to drink alcohol in this country as well.

Arizona doesn't have any exemptions for minors in possession of alcohol. You have to be 21, whether a family member is present or not.

 

[MissChief]

I was under the impression that fully automatic weapons were banned in the US and have been since the 80's, either under Reagan or Bush Sr.?

 

[Burnsy2023]

I was under the impression that fully automatic weapons were banned in the US and have been since the 80's, either under Reagan or Bush Sr.?

Clinton IIRC, but the law was on a time limit and was not renewed.

 

[AGD]

Letting 9 year olds fire uzis is just idiotic full stop. Idiotic by the parents, idiotic by the range, and idiotic by the law for allowing it. All are guilty parties.