ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

Mynight said:
I haven't seen it but I assume they're going to take passports from the ones on the way out rather than preventing them coming back in correct? If so fail!

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This!

But for the fact that anybody who goes will end up contributeing to the apocalypse that is IS, I'd even offer anybody who wanted to go free tickets! Just as long as they never came back!
 
KIA said:
Yeah, I can see two outcomes:

1) They decide to attack us on our own soil
2) They get sent to prison and radicalise others

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Which is why one point on my five point plan for tackling Islamic extremism in this country is for separating Islamic extremist prisoners from the rest of the prison population - either separate wings or even separate prisons if necessary. It's that sort of hard decision that is going to be necessary now if we don't want Britain to become an Islamic State in the next century or two.
 
I see Cameron ramping up the fear factor. He only forgot to do a Stun type headline like 'they are within 30 minutes of bombing' or some such nonsense. Obviously wanting to create the climate so he can reintroduce the vote to send UK troops to Syria. I.S. hardly in a position to do anything to the UK.
Of course the obvious solution of not going over to foreign lands and killing people they regard as kin is beyond the UK political establishments comprehension. A better solution would be to arm the MPs and Lords and send them over to deal with the situation of their own making. They would not be missed.
 
do_ron_ron said:
I see Cameron ramping up the fear factor. He only forgot to do a Stun type headline like 'they are within 30 minutes of bombing' or some such nonsense. Obviously wanting to create the climate so he can reintroduce the vote to send UK troops to Syria. I.S. hardly in a position to do anything to the UK.
Of course the obvious solution of not going over to foreign lands and killing people they regard as kin is beyond the UK political establishments comprehension. A better solution would be to arm the MPs and Lords and send them over to deal with the situation of their own making. They would not be missed.
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Who regards IS as kin in this country and why should we care about them? In fact why shouldn't we arrest anyone in this country who regards IS as kin?
 
I can't understand how people can defend people like this, when in every single islamic part of the world, (Chechnya, Xinjiang etc...) there is so much poverty and suffering due to wars over religion. They kill their own people, whether Arab or not, Islam is one of the root causes of this. People can become radicalized easily when they lose everything. Just look at Afghanistan, if the Mujahideen wasn't formed and funded, then modern day Afghanistan would probably look a lot like a poorer post-Soviet country. That would be a lot better than having a war torn country like it is now.
 
FoxEye said:
Who regards IS as kin in this country and why should we care about them? In fact why shouldn't we arrest anyone in this country who regards IS as kin?
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Some mainstream Sunni's and their stricter cousins in Saudi(where they are getting a lot of money). In a police state, which we are becoming that would be perfectly acceptable. Our problems are down to politicians meddling in foreign affairs they do not understand(what's new).
Our traditional freedoms have been curtailed over the last 20 years due to this meddling.
 
As I have said previously, this group is different to any terror outfit that went before, most certainly levels above Al Quaeda in terms of funding, aggression, mindset and their ability to deploy outside of their territory.
 
Rroff said:
See post above - they have the funding and links that it would be foolish to ignore their capability to do something here.
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Agreed, I saw on the news last night that an estimated 250 UK nationals have been to Iraq/Syria to fight for IS and have returned to the UK. You'd have to monumentally foolish to not believe the government when they say there's a threat (imo it was obvious that there was last year).
 
you mean like the "immediate threat of WMD from Iraq"?

sorry if I sound a bit apprehensive that the last 'threat' we apparently had is what actually led us to this flippin mess with ISIS.
 
scorza said:
Agreed, I saw on the news last night that an estimated 250 UK nationals have been to Iraq/Syria to fight for IS and have returned to the UK. You'd have to monumentally foolish to not believe the government when they say there's a threat (imo it was obvious that there was last year).
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You'd have to be monumentally foolish to believe the news.
 
deuse said:
The government has already said that 400+ English muslims are fighting with isis abroad.

I hope they bring in new laws asap to stop this or keep them out of the UK for good.
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I've said before, once you're gone you stay gone.

Why stop them from leaving the country?, let them go, good riddance they have nothing to contribute to the country.
 
I'd be curious to know, of the people who have gone, fought with IS, and come back... why did they return? Clearly IS mission in the ME is not yet complete.
 
FoxEye said:
I'd be curious to know, of the people who have gone, fought with IS, and come back... why did they return? Clearly IS mission in the ME is not yet complete.
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My guess is that the promised land of an Islamic caliphate wasn't all it was cracked up to be.
 
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