ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

FoxEye said:
I'd be curious to know, of the people who have gone, fought with IS, and come back... why did they return? Clearly IS mission in the ME is not yet complete.
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they return because they were given a new mission of terrorise the UK most likely...........

Re-entry to UK soil and all her dominions should be revoked for anyone that joins IS and ships out to the middle east.
 
wildman said:
they return because they were given a new mission of terrorise the UK most likely...........

Re-entry to UK soil and all her dominions should be revoked for anyone that joins IS and ships out to the middle east.
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Yeah but you've got to love the fact that they can still remain a British citizen according to that article from the BBC. Why are they allowed to remain a citizen? They turned their back on their citizenship the moment they flew to another country to fight their so-called holy war. They should be stripped of their passport, denied re-entry, and lose all citizenship status and benefits. This political correctness is going too far now. People that commit such acts should lose all of their human rights. The human rights of the victims aren't respected when they get attacked and marched through the desert and executed. Enough is enough. When is our government going to man up and do the right thing for the lawful and moral people of the UK?
 
CHokKA said:
Yeah but you've got to love the fact that they can still remain a British citizen according to that article from the BBC. Why are they allowed to remain a citizen? They turned their back on their citizenship the moment they flew to another country to fight their so-called holy war. They should be stripped of their passport, denied re-entry, and lose all citizenship status and benefits. This political correctness is going too far now. People that commit such acts should lose all of their human rights. The human rights of the victims aren't respected when they get attacked and marched through the desert and executed. Enough is enough. When is our government going to man up and do the right thing for the lawful and moral people of the UK?
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As a sort of knee jerk reaction, it seems to make sense in denying these people reentry to the UK, in effect making them stateless.

But if you think about it a little harder - what happens if you have several hundred or thousands battle-hardened, brainwashed, chav terrorists and you "send them back" isn't that sticking your head in the sand? Effectively, you're putting them back into circulation in the world - where they might cause additional harm, they could fade away in some other hellhole - only to come back later and bite us in the ass.

Wouldn't it be safer to imprison them upon entry? If we have the intelligence to know that they're terrorists - why risk "throwing them back out" why not just use all available methods to track them, and detain them if they come back.
 
V-Spec said:
As a sort of knee jerk reaction, it seems to make sense in denying these people reentry to the UK, in effect making them stateless.

But if you think about it a little harder - what happens if you have several hundred or thousands battle-hardened, brainwashed, chav terrorists and you "send them back" isn't that sticking your head in the sand? Effectively, you're putting them back into circulation in the world - where they might cause additional harm, they could fade away in some other hellhole - only to come back later and bite us in the ass.

Wouldn't it be safer to imprison them upon entry? If we have the intelligence to know that they're terrorists - why risk "throwing them back out" why not just use all available methods to track them, and detain them if they come back.
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Because we shouldn't want them back here, putting a strain on an already over-subscribed prison service. What do you do with them? Do you really think that they deserve a chance at reform? I'm sorry, but I don't. Some of the stuff going on in Syria and Iraq at the moment is utterly appalling. We need to protect ourselves as best we can.
 
All this talk about denying them entry back into to the country is just hot air to try and appear tough. Think about it, who is going to decide whether someone is part of ISIS or not? It's not the sort of thing you can just do without some sort of hearing and all you'll really know is that this person flew out to Turkey along with thousands of other people and wants to return 3 months later - there are bound to be a handful of people for whom this is true for legitimate reasons also. Our security services could provide the sort of evidence you need but they don't like giving evidence to courts as it reveals our capability. It's just not going to work.
 
CHokKA said:
Because we shouldn't want them back here, putting a strain on an already over-subscribed prison service. What do you do with them? Do you really think that they deserve a chance at reform? I'm sorry, but I don't. Some of the stuff going on in Syria and Iraq at the moment is utterly appalling. We need to protect ourselves as best we can.
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I'm not so sure that I disagree with what you're saying in principle, but the more I think of it, the more it seems like a knee-jerk reaction that wouldn't solve much.

I also think that the British government are in many ways responsible, because we've allowed the likes of Anjem Choudary (british born) to come on countless news programs and talk **** over and over, to radicalise other (british born) people, into going and fighting in these insane wars in the middle-east. Why should we shoulder the responsibility onto somebody else, we've homegrown these people - I'm not sure it's responsible to allow these people to run wild, if we get a chance to catch them - keep hold of them.

Also take into account that no border or intelligence system can be 100% effective 100% of the time, if you let these people get back on planes to go "somewhere else" who knows what they'll do? what happens if they try to reenter, if we make it harder for them - we also make it harder for ourselves because we have to track them, wherever they are in the world at all times.
 
scorza said:
Our security services could provide the sort of evidence you need but they don't like giving evidence to courts as it reveals our capability. It's just not going to work.
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thats why the terror laws brought in secret courts with no juries and where the defendant didn't even get to see the evidence against them.
 
Can't we just kill them then we don't have to worry about which country they want to go to. Seems simpler isn't like we are going to make any more enemies or that the USA, Iran, Israel, Germany, France, Russia or China would give two hoots.
 
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