No drivers for Windows 10?

[bru]

If you dont agree to the term and conditions then dont click yes i agree.

But haveing said that, I do agree with you that. If it is just a generic key logger then yes it could quite easily record passwords etc:

 

[Steampunk]

Although we understand what you are saying, lets not get carried away here.

This is Microsoft saying that if you would like to use this early developer release of Windows 10, then you agree to them knowing certain things about your computing usage. If you dont want Microsoft to know these things, then dont use the developer release of Windows 10.

If it's just for the developer preview/beta, then I've no problem with it as long as people know how deep MS are going to go. I don't think it's enough to bury this kind of thing in the small print that everyone knows is not read.

If they could get away with it, this sort of tech would be on live computers and they would be profiling us and selling on the data in ways we couldn't even imagine, let alone the criminal misuse if this data were to be hacked.

 

[Boomstick777]

Is that just for the beta/preview?

Yeah MS have already stated the final release won't feature data logging of any kind, it's purely to gather info on the preview.

 

[ubersonic]

Keyloggers don't know what they are logging so YES they WILL log EVERY keystroke whether it is a password, credit card number or address

Exactly, this is why it's not a keylogger because it doesn't do that

You people are seriously putting a HUGE amount of trust into microsoft.

Well yeah, because this is perfectly normal for any Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc thing. That's what it's odd that some people are treating it like it's something new/important when it's neither.

Also what you posted earlier about not having anything to hide is the most stupid thought in society today when it comes to privacy.

Actually the most stupid thing is people who have nothing to hide actually giving a damn that somebody they will never ever meet or interact with may get to see their search habits or the like, hell anybody religious already assumes that an omnipotent being knows it anyway.

You might try to turn it around with your trolly / jokey use of "ermagawd" etc but it doesn't change anything that we have said.

It may not change it but it does point out the how funny/silly it is.

In the context of the agreement they may log everything you type.

You do realise it isn't going to do that right? you're missing the context.

As it doesn't specifically say which programs, this could be any application within the OS (including the web browser)

Well as it's been a standard feature of all web browsers for like a decade I would assume so, but no it won't be every application, just things like browsers, search, etc (they are not going to add it to all the software or add an O/S wide function just for the preview).

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Simple solution: don't like the standard ToS for being in a consumer preview? Then don't participate.

 

[Purgatory]

It's Windows 10 now Microsoft decided to skip 9 for some reason.

Why Windows 10 isn't named 9: Windows 95 legacy code?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2690724/why-windows-10-isnt-named-9-windows-95-legacy-code.html

Why Windows 10 isn't named 9: Windows 95 legacy code?
Ian Paul @ianpaul

Oct 2, 2014 7:40 AM
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Microsoft puzzled the world on Tuesday when it said the version of Windows to succeed Windows 8.1 would be dubbed Windows 10—jumping right over version 9.

At the Windows 10 debut, Microsoft said it "wouldn't be right" to call the new version Windows 9 given its importance—a claim that pretty much no one swallowed. Even for Microsoft's notoriously bizarre marketing history skipping the number 9 entirely is just plain weird.

But now a far more plausible answer has surfaced to the question "Why Windows 10?" A Redditor named cranbourne, who claims to be a Microsoft developer (though it's unsubstantiated), says rumors inside the company point to legacy software as the main reason for shooting straight for ten.

The story behind the story: Microsoft is often criticized for being reluctant to break compatibility with legacy versions of Windows. As we'll soon see, this rumor is a very good example of the kinds of pitfalls Microsoft must consider even for relatively simple tasks like naming the next version of Windows.
If Windows 9...then what?

Many of you should be old enough to remember that there have already been two versions of Windows that began with the number 9, specifically Windows 95 and Windows 98.

To save time, some third-party Windows desktop developers used a shorthand to check the version name (not number) of Windows they were installing their app to. Instead of coding apps to check for Windows 95 or Windows 98, developers coded instructions to check for "Windows 9."

That made sense since there were only two versions of Windows that had a nine in their name to that point. It was simply an easier way to figure out which version of Windows the program was dealing with.

Here's a Java code example that's been making the rounds on Google+, Reddit, and Twitter showing just this kind of version checking scheme.

Also check out this Windows 9 search on the code-focused search engine, searchcode, which was first identified by developer Christer Kaitila. At the top of the search results you'll see a bunch of code—again, Java—checking for Windows 9, but not Windows 9.

Microsoft may have looked out at the vast catalog of legacy code and decided the easiest way to avoid an annoying rewrite for all those programs was just to skip Windows 9 and head straight for Windows 10.

Accommodating legacy code may sound ridiculous, but it's certainly a plausible explanation and, if true, it's a smart move by Microsoft to not upset its developer base or potentially mess with customers happily using legacy software.

 

[Wh00pS]

If they could get away with it, this sort of tech would be on live computers and they would be profiling us and selling on the data in ways we couldn't even imagine, let alone the criminal misuse if this data were to be hacked.

You just described Google's current business model perfectly

 

[ubersonic]

Why Windows 10 isn't named 9: Windows 95 legacy code?

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2690724/why-windows-10-isnt-named-9-windows-95-legacy-code.html

It's nonsense, "check for windows 9" wouldn't have any effect on Windows 9 because it would call itself 6.4, just like other versions of NT6 (Vista: 6.0, 7: 6.1, 8: 6.2, 8.1: 6.3)

 

[bru]

It's nonsense, "check for windows 9" wouldn't have any effect on Windows 9 because it would call itself 6.4, just like other versions of NT6 (Vista: 6.0, 7: 6.1, 8: 6.2, 8.1: 6.3)

Sorry ubersonic but an awful lot of high profile developers seem to completely disagree with you.

A much better article on the subject.

http://www.dailytech.com/Windows+9+Reportedly+Skipped+as+Name+Would+Have+Created+Code+Bugs/article36656.htm

 

[ubersonic]

Sorry ubersonic but an awful lot of high profile developers seem to completely disagree with you.

Well they're wrong.

Sorry to sound so arrogant but it's true. open a command prompt and type "ver" (without the "") and if it's a Vista/7/8.x/10 system it will respond 6.x just like it would if an application was asking, hence it doesn't matter if an application is looking for Windows 9 because the only place it will find it is on the DVD cover.

 

[james.miller]

Well they're wrong.

Sorry to sound so arrogant but it's true. open a command prompt and type "ver" (without the "") and if it's a Vista/7/8.x/10 system it will respond 6.x just like it would if an application was asking, hence it doesn't matter if an application is looking for Windows 9 because the only place it will find it is on the DVD cover.

The links suggests there is a lot of software out there that checks the OS NAME and not the OS version. The dvd cover is not the only place you can get it....

 

[LambChop]

Has anyone's firewall sprung into action when this info is sent outbound to MS through Win10 ?

 

[bru]

Well they're wrong.

Sorry to sound so arrogant but it's true.

Its ok to sound arrogant, you are allowed. As for it being true, well it is your opinion and your are entitled to that.

 

[Orangey]

The links suggests there is a lot of software out there that checks the OS NAME and not the OS version. The dvd cover is not the only place you can get it....

This.

https://www.searchcode.com/?q=if(version,startswith("windows 9")&p=0

 

[mortals]

Exactly, this is why it's not a keylogger because it doesn't do that

something which you cannot know without seeing the code

Well yeah, because this is perfectly normal for any Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc thing. That's what it's odd that some people are treating it like it's something new/important when it's neither.

It doesn't seem 'perfectly normal' for anyone to implement a system wide ability to log keystrokes

Actually the most stupid thing is people who have nothing to hide actually giving a damn that somebody they will never ever meet or interact with may get to see their search habits or the like, hell anybody religious already assumes that an omnipotent being knows it anyway.

'nothing to hide'
As both I and steampunk have pointed out there will always be things you would wish to keep secret (passwords etc)
Knowing, meeting or interacting with someone has no bearing on what they will use your information for.

It may not change it but it does point out the how funny/silly it is.

Sorry if you find it 'silly' to want privacy

You do realise it isn't going to do that right? you're missing the context.

Something that you have based on trust/faith

Well as it's been a standard feature of all web browsers for like a decade

Keylogging has been a standard feature of all web browsers for a decade

Well they're wrong.

The links suggests there is a lot of software out there that checks the OS NAME and not the OS version. The dvd cover is not the only place you can get it....

This.

https://www.searchcode.com/?q=if(version,startswith("windows 9")&p=0

^this

 

[ubersonic]

The links suggests there is a lot of software out there that checks the OS NAME and not the OS version. The dvd cover is not the only place you can get it....

The is "some" software that looks at the name not the version, however it's almost entirely the buggy garbage that tries to install a million toolbars with itself, put simply the only things affected will be the poorly written junk that no sensible person should be installing anyway, this is because using the version over the name is programming 101 type stuff.

That's why the is no chance Microsoft's decision to skip 9 was due to compatibility with these applications, because even if it occurred to them then it wouldn't have been a consideration in the decision to skip 9 because blocking them from installing would basically be doing users a favour.

 

[ubersonic]

Double post.

 

[james.miller]

The is "some" software that looks at the name not the version, however it's almost entirely the buggy garbage that tries to install a million toolbars with itself, put simply the only things affected will be the poorly written junk that no sensible person should be installing anyway, this is because using the version over the name is programming 101 type stuff.

And yet there are examples in those links of programs doing just that. I dont know if that's the real reason for skipping 9 or not, but there's clearly some truth to it despite you initially adamantly denying it.

That's why the is no chance Microsoft's decision to skip 9 was due to compatibility with these applications, because even if it occurred to them then it wouldn't have been a consideration in the decision to skip 9 because blocking them from installing would basically be doing users a favour.

OK.

Keylogging has been a standard feature of all web browsers for a decade

Well as you seem to consider autocomplete to be a key-logger I guess so >.>

It's a bit like saying the only place you can get the OS name is on the dvd cover, isn't it? programming 101 stuff.

 

[Orangey]

It's moot now anyway, people are already saying it's the reason they skipped 9 and won't keep track of the story. Years from now people are gonna be correcting each other on slashdot about it.

 

[David Bisset]

People are complaining about logging in a tech preview? *sigh* they do realise that's what happens with every pre-release software made by any company worth their salt? Without logging you don't find the issues to fix them for your public release. And while only logging stuff people are happy about sharing would be nice, you've generally no way of telling whats what so log way more than needed. This is one of many reasons pre-release builds of most software are slower than release versions.

Also, we'll probably never know why MS went for the name Windows 10, it's still amusing that so many things used the name starts with pattern

 

[bru]

I know I read somewhere that we may have windows 11, 12 and then 15 but no 13 or 14, but I cannot find it now.