ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion
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tbh were we the good guys when we were intentionally dropping fire bombs on women and children?
I don't think anyone wins in the morality stakes when its a total war situation.
I would hope I wouldn't raise daughters that were that brain dead. The blow back on the families could be devastating, people might think they are all terrorists or sympathisers. I think there are many forgiveable acts but I would have a hard time if my daughter decided going to pillage, rape and kill on the front lines was the right thing to do. Teenagers make silly mistakes all the time; there was several thousand kilometres for these two idiots to rethink their 'silly mistake'.
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Indeed, a couple of silly immature girls have made a foolish mistake and now they are rotten to the core and deserve death & fire!!
But I'm not surprised by some of the cold, harsh responces, they have clearly shown in other threads they are completely devoid of any compassion or empathy!! And of course they were perfect when they grew up and NEVER made a significant mistake or bad decision
THEY ARE KIDS FOR CHRIST SAKE!! Sort your head out, you are behaving in a heartless and soulless way just like the terrorists you despise so much!
Kids they certainly aren't they're cold and calculating evil bitches and any one on here making excuses for them is somewhat deluded.
1. They didn't go of to fight. They went off to marry.
2. A few years ago we saw a large number of British youths wreck several cities for the sake of a few phones and a pair of trainers under the guise of injustice. We also saw the capital flooded with students who wrecked milbank and crazy stuff like throwing fire extinguishers at the police from 15 floors up.
3. Scores of young men and women from 16 sign up to the armed services every year, knowing full well they are going to see action in Afghanistan etc.
It's not that far fetched to see a couple of girls want to run off with what they first thought were heroes and then discover they are not and want to come back.
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How do you know what they went there for, know them do you ?
Don't you think they just might be telling little porkies.
Looking at how ISIS treat women it's unlikely they were let out of the house unless for photo's.
You should be asking yourself that question.
Times are different and this isn't a world war, we are talking about 2 very dumb brainwashed girls aged 15 and 17.
I'm not saying they do not deserve punishment or do not need monitoring but interned indefinitely ?
The Islamic youth we have need educating, we need to clamp down on those doing the brainwashing.
The average person does not just decide to get up one morning and pack his/her bags and find his/her way to ISIS. There are people out there doing the brainwashing and giving instructions on how to contact the right people so they can join ISIS...we need to catch these people.
On the one hand, they're young and apparently dumb.
On the other hand, they have contributed - and we don't know how much - to the efforts of a terrorist organisation who have killed many innocent people in horrific and barbaric ways.
They may be young girls, but who knows what ISIS had them doing out there. Even if they didn't directly bear arms, they at the very least contributed to the moral of ISIS fighters, or helped them operate in some way.
They are no longer innocent. Allowing them to come back with no consequences would hardly be just.
Not discounting brainwashing but there are a lot of dissatisfied youth Muslim or otherwise and it can look attractive to those those particularly naive (and)or lacking scruples.
However I don't think we can take any chances with those returning I doubt many of them are particularly innocent one way or another.
We keep bombing muslim countries so I can see why there is a lot of anger but joining ISIS is a still a big jump.
It's not like ISIS are out there to help muslims.
If your average Brit muslim thinks "they're bombing us muslims again", instead of "they're bombing Saddam's forces" or "they're bombing ISIS", then that is indeed a problem.
A problem with their muslim identity overriding common sense/ any objective assessment of the situation.
The reality is we aren't "bombing muslim countries". We are bombing regimes and terrorists. People that British muslims shouldn't relate to.
Wasn't talking about anger towards bombing Muslim countries, etc. but that especially of late with recession/economy issues, unemployment and so on in general there is higher level of dissatisfied among some youth who might be tempted to explore alternative paths. (That isn't to say I believe there is much innocence in it though possibly some naivety but that there is more to it than just brainwashing).
Not what i said.
OK, substitute "Brit muslim" for "Austrian muslim" in the case of these girls. Same difference, no?
Or maybe I've missed the point. It happens
Maybe but joining ISIS ? They kill muslims, they kill those helping muslims, they kill anyone who isn't a muslim. you have to be seriously ****** up in the head to even consider it, it's hard for me to imagine anyone can get there alone.
OK, substitute "Brit muslim" for "Austrian muslim" in the case of these girls. Same difference, no?
Or maybe I've missed the point. It happens
I mean't that bit >> "they're bombing us muslims again".
IS has a "Join us or Die" business model!
Such organisations typically have a very specific role for new recruits!
The very first thing that will be expected of them is Prisoner Torture/Execution!
It not only "Proves their Loyalty" it also represents a baptism in Blood psychologically bonding them to the organisation and making it very difficult to back out from their commitment.
(Violent Gangs in the US and elsewhere also frequently have similar initiation ceremonys involving the random killing of total strangers)
I dont particularly want to "Punish" them or imprison them or intern them! I just dont want them to return!
I regard anybody who has been actively involved with IS as being irretrievably contaminated and far to great a potential danger to allow them to move freely in our society
I certainly wouldn't consider any sort of return acceptable unless IS was comprehensively destroyed first. As long as IS still remains active, "Returnees" must always be regarded as sleepers and treated accordingly!
(And even if IS had been destroyed, which I cant see happening any time soon!! I would still regard "Returnees" with the greatest of suspicion! no matter how "Sorry" they appear to be!)