Shooting at French Satirical Magazine

There were 2 gunmen. They're looking for 3 people as someone drove them to the Charlie Hebdo offices, left the car and took off on a scooter. (According to French sources)

Which was apparently the youngest one who then went to class, don't think its been established yet if he knew what he was involved with or not.
 
Surely he'd notice the armaments they were carrying?

Could have been in the boot or in a bag I doubt they drove around with them on show, the loose shoe suggests they possibly changed clothes. Or he could have been fully aware and protesting his innocence.

EDIT: Or they could have the wrong person but seems unlikely given the current information.
 
Which was apparently the youngest one who then went to class, don't think its been established yet if he knew what he was involved with or not.

Surely he'd notice the armaments they were carrying?

You'd think so. The information is all a big mess at the moment because the 18 year old they named and currently have in custody was apparently in school at the time.
 
Could have been in the boot or in a bag I doubt they drove around with them on show, the loose shoe suggests they possibly changed clothes. Or he could have been fully aware and protesting his innocence.

That's a fair point. I'm reading contrasting accounts. One suggested the car pulled up they jumped out the two armed headed for the door and the 18 year old drove off on a moped.

Too early to really say for sure. Until things are fact I really shouldn't speculate.

Just feel so bad for their families :(.

Edit: there's some great cartoons coming out for this;

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Supposedly now cleared by police though not seen official confirmation.

EDIT: Unconfirmed but was apparently a bike or scooter registered to him but he was supposedly 200-300km away at the time so possibly stolen along with the car.
 
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9/11.... 7/7... A British soldier getting hacked to death outside his barracks... The rise of ISIS, beheading of journalists and the massacre of a whole school. Why does nothing surprise me anymore?

While I don't condone such attacks I am no longer shocked they are happening at all... The western world need to take a good hard look at its foreign (middle east) policy... How many civilian deaths have the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq caused? Contrast that number with the deaths caused by muslin terrorists and ISIS. I expect one is a multiple orders of magnitude higher than the other.

Right... you do know what this attack was the result of?

What has insulting the prophet got to do with foreign policy?

When Salmon Rushdie required bodyguards in the late 80s was our foreign policy to blame?
 
Which was apparently the youngest one who then went to class, don't think its been established yet if he knew what he was involved with or not.

Think it is fairly likely he did... it isn't like he immediately called for help upon seeing them run off to a building with assault rifles... Nah he made an escape on a scooter.
 
Think it is fairly likely he did... it isn't like he immediately called for help upon seeing them run off to a building with assault rifles... Nah he made an escape on a scooter.

Purely being objective that assumes they geared up before he left. Though current reports place the guy being named as 100s of km away at the time which if true its anyones guess who the 3rd guy was if there even was one.

EDIT: Official story is they left with an accomplice, the rest seems to be speculation.
 
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Nothing to do with Iraq or Afghanistan. Remember 9/11 and the previous attack on same towers or any of the many other terrorist attacks in name of Islam all carried out prior to Iraq invasion.

Wahabiism

Could well be, but doesn't have to be necessarily

Death penalty for those who insult the prophet is the Islamic punishment, this is widely accepted across Islam. (Obviously most wouldn't see it as their duty to carry it out themselves per say).
Look at the Salmon Rushdie issue - the Iranians issued a fatwa over that and they're pretty far removed from whabbism.
 
Saudi Arabia condemns deadly attack on Paris satirical magazine
(Reuters) - Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, condemned Wednesday's shooting attack on a French satirical magazine known for its send-ups of radical Islam.

"...The kingdom therefore strongly condemns and denounces this cowardly terrorist act that is rejected by true Islamic religion as well as the rest of the religions and beliefs," the Saudi state news agency SPA said, citing an official source.

Egypt's leading Islamic authority, Al-Azhar, also condemned the attack, which killed at least 12 people including two police officers, the worst militant attack on French soil for decades.​

Slightly ironic given that the Saudi state would also happily execute someone for drawing cartoons like those published by the magazine.

They'll happily condemn the attack, those individuals taking matters into their own hands.. relatively few Muslims will actually challenge the wisely accepted interpretation of their religion or believe that it ought to change.

Most Muslims are opposed to these sorts of cartoons being allowed.
 
Freedom of speech and freedom of religion go hand-in-hand.

Those who align themselves with freedom of speech yet happily endorse the restriction of religious choice are on a slippery slope of double standards.
 
Freedom of speech and freedom of religion go hand-in-hand.

Those who align themselves with freedom of speech yet happily endorse the restriction of religious choice are on a slippery slope of double standards.

Have people done that? Most people who are in favour of freedom of speech are in favour of freedom if religion.

(Both of which Islam opposes to different extents)
 
Really? - maybe you should actually go and see what's going on with African Christians right now. Or how about jewish israeli's? or how about hindu indians? or maybe the burmah buddists - ALL THESE ATTACKS go unreported on a daily basis.

Just because our media has started to reserve the 'terrorism' title exclusively for muslim attacks doesn't mean that the rest of the world is all hunky-dorey.

Open your eyes and look beyond what is spoon fed to you.

Seriously I think you miss read my post, the big cough at the end kinda points to me being sarcastic about "poor Islam". There is no such thing as peace loving Muslims. 17 terrorist attacks in 7 day... *ALL* in the name of Islam.
 
Have people done that? Most people who are in favour of freedom of speech are in favour of freedom if religion.

Since the news story broke I have seen many calling for a prohibition, in various measures of aggressiveness, on the practice of Islam in the West. Often tacked on the end of a sentiment about protecting the freedom of publishing opinions satirical or otherwise.
 
Seriously I think you miss read my post, the big cough at the end kinda points to me being sarcastic about "poor Islam". There is no such thing as peace loving Muslims. 17 terrorist attacks in 7 day... *ALL* in the name of Islam.

You're telling us there isn't one peaceful muslim out of 1.6 billion of them? Damn we're screwed.
 
How many civilian deaths have the wars in Afghanistan & Iraq caused? Contrast that number with the deaths caused by muslin terrorists and ISIS. I expect one is a multiple orders of magnitude higher than the other.

well given that most of the civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan were people killed by Muslim terrorists you'll find that the figure is actually the same figure.


or did you think it was uk troops blowing up markets and shooting up the civilians in the hundreds of thousands?:confused:
 
You're telling us there isn't one peaceful muslim out of 1.6 billion of them? Damn we're screwed.

Yeah i know im living in fear at my Swedish classes today. The 11 Muslim guys and girls i study with will all be wearing Suicide vests again. Chanting Allah Ackbar and stuff.

Im sure it will be fun and games.
 
You're telling us there isn't one peaceful muslim out of 1.6 billion of them? Damn we're screwed.

Utterly.

If even just 1% of the worldwide Muslim population were extremists we'd be screwed.


About the worst thing we could do would be to treat ALL muslims as if they're extremists, that is exactly what the people committing these atrocities want, they want it to become "us against them" with as many more Muslims feeling that way as possible.
They want it to become a war against their religion as opposed to against the violent minority such as themselves.
 
Utterly.

If even just 1% of the worldwide Muslim population were extremists we'd be screwed.


About the worst thing we could do would be to treat ALL muslims as if they're extremists, that is exactly what the people committing these atrocities want, they want it to become "us against them" with as many more Muslims feeling that way as possible.
They want it to become a war against their religion as opposed to against the violent minority such as themselves.

Well said.

I hope they catch them without killing them, or before they kill themselves. We need to get under their skin and understand why they did this.
 
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