ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion

[Amnesia]

It would make total sense, and I also think it would actually have prevented some attacks,

for example, 12 hours after the massacre at the charlie hebdo offices, there was another massacre at the Jewish supermarket...........

I would suggest the following as a minimum;

1> Do not show any videos, audio or images of the terrorists whatsoever
2> Do not name any of them
3> Do not broadcast any information relating to their demands
4> Total media blackout on any scenario involving hostages

But then how do you get support to pass laws or get troops to help another country out when the public is oblivious to what is going on in the world ?
Also does this media blackout stop at terrorism ....maybe it then gets extended to pedo rings at high places since the media blackout law has already been created.

 

[B&W]

In a statement released on Tuesday night, Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayeb, the Grand Imam of al-Azhar University in Egypt, called for the "killing, crucifixion of IS terrorists".

Should be broadcast in all mosques around the globe.

 

[Will21st]

You can disagree all you want, but without rulings from Islamic scholars that's just your opinion, based on the actions of Muslims rather than the teachings of Islam.

sure, however teachings can be interpreted in many ways, and those muslims seem to interpret it in a way that they feel is correct, which still has an influence on our society. Halal food comes to mind.

 

[Felon]

out of sight and out of mind does not make the threat any less real.

I think it does.

Because the terrorists are using the media directly as a recruitment agency, and as a propaganda platform, take those two things away - or severely cripple them and you cause the terrorists a very serious problem.

 

[Will21st]

I think it does.

more power to you, because I don't.

well, I see your point, however leaving people in the dark about this very real threat is not an option, imo.

 

[Felon]

But then how do you get support to pass laws or get troops to help another country out when the public is oblivious to what is going on in the world ?
Also does this media blackout stop at terrorism ....maybe it then gets extended to pedo rings at high places since the media blackout law has already been created.

If terrible things are occurring in some part of the world, then it does need to be reported for general awareness, but it needs to be done in such a way that the terrorists can't exploit the whole media platform so easily for their own ends, and it certainly should not include the sorts of detailed information we get today, such as hostage negotiation information, names, ect.

 

[Felon]

well, I see your point, however leaving people in the dark about this very real threat is not an option, imo.

This is thing though? Threat to who?

IS are no threat to me whatsoever, I'm far more likely to be killed because I'm a few stone overweight, or when I cross the road - than I am by anybody from IS... so in reality - if I didn't know the first thing about IS, I wouldn't be any worse off..

 

[Xordium]

This is thing though? Threat to who?

IS are no threat to me whatsoever, I'm far more likely to be killed because I'm a few stone overweight, or when I cross the road - than I am by anybody from IS... so in reality - if I didn't know the first thing about IS, I wouldn't be any worse off..

Name one conflict in history where at the start a civilian could not say such a thing.

 

[Will21st]

This is thing though? Threat to who?

IS are no threat to me whatsoever, I'm far more likely to be killed because I'm a few stone overweight, or when I cross the road - than I am by anybody from IS... so in reality - if I didn't know the first thing about IS, I wouldn't be any worse off..

the threat of radical Islam, which is what all this is about. Denying what goes on in the middle east or elsewhere won't lessen the problem.

 

[Raz]

So you feel responsible for the actions of ISIS ?

Not personally, obviously. This really needs to be looked at in the context of an Islamic Caliphate or united community. ISIS, AQ et al are Muslim rebels, transgressors and the Quran details that they must be dealt with in accordance with Islamic law. How many Muslim countries are there? How long would ISIS last if everyone joined forces and attacked? Groups and ideologies like theirs may never be eradicated, but that’s not to say they shouldn’t either be brought back in line, or fought against.

 

[Amnesia]

If terrible things are occurring in some part of the world, then it does need to be reported for general awareness, but it needs to be done in such a way that the terrorists can't exploit the whole media platform so easily for their own ends, and it certainly should not include the sorts of detailed information we get today, such as hostage negotiation information, names, ect.

Hostage negotiation shouldn't happen, it creates more targets and helps fund the kidnappers. I don't see how releasing names helps recruit.

I would agree in banning anything that promotes the likes of ISIS(youtube videos or facebook or whatever their chosen media is) but not news coverage.
As bad as it is, people should know what they are like. If it wasn't for the news coverage we have had showing how bad ISIS is then so many people could be under the impression that it's just the west trying to bully some poor muslims in the middle east.

 

[Dj_Jestar]

No-one is holding all Muslims do be accountable or responsible for the actual acts. They are expecting all Muslims to be responsible for the message of their faith. Surely Muslims care about their faith and their god?

It is not prejudicial to say you don't like certain aspects of a groups behaviour or that you would prefer that behaviour to stop. Prejudice occurs when you apply it to individuals.




I was talking about the actual act - care to link me one post on these forums which attributes the acts to all Muslims. If you can't then you are the one full of BS aren't you.



Oh, well they obviously don't give that much of a stuff about their religion then or their god do they. Guess we can remove all the special privileges afforded them can't we.



I am not against people worshipping what every stupid rubbish they want to believe. I am against people using that as a justification to get special privilege and to manipulate society towards their ideals. It's about stopping religions influence over everyone irrespective of belief not stopping their belief. Another difference you can't seem to spot.

No, you just expect everyone in a massive group to suddenly defend their ideals because a tiny, tiny group misbehave taking their name in vain, and you wonder why there just might be some animosity behind that.

 

[robgmun]

Hostage negotiation shouldn't happen, it creates more targets and helps fund the kidnappers. I don't see how releasing names helps recruit.

Completely agree, there needs to be a complete ban on it and countries that do need to have crap load of international pressure to explain themselves and not do it again

I would agree in banning anything that promotes the likes of ISIS(youtube videos or facebook or whatever their chosen media is) but not news coverage.

Agree again, newsreader saying what happened but not show one second of the video on air, and not describe it's contains in detail either. Again anyone who does needs to be crunched down on hard.

 

[Amnesia]

Not personally, obviously. This really needs to be looked at in the context of an Islamic Caliphate or united community. ISIS, AQ et al are Muslim rebels, transgressors and the Quran details that they must be dealt with in accordance with Islamic law. How many Muslim countries are there? How long would ISIS last if everyone joined forces and attacked? Groups and ideologies like theirs may never be eradicated, but that’s not to say they shouldn’t either be brought back in line, or fought against.

I'm not saying they shouldn't be fought against, i'm all for that bit and muslim countries should play their part in combating the threat.
I just don't agree with people saying all muslims should feel responsible for what is happening in another part of the world. The average muslim sat at home in the UK has no say in what ISIS does and takes no part in what they do and does not support them.

It just comes across as silly when people want the average muslim guy to apologize or take responsibility for the actions of ISIS, as if somehow you had something to do with the attacks.

 

[robgmun]

So you feel responsible for the actions of ISIS ?

The Koran states almost every other sura that you need to guard against evil, I read 20 or so this morning and the phrase "guard against evil" comes up again and again and again. So from what i understand as a Muslim god has given you a duty to stand up to these people.

 

[Felon]

Name one conflict in history where at the start a civilian could not say such a thing.

There are hundreds of conflicts going on that don't have the label of "ISLAM" attached, and so don't get reported much - that will almost certainly never affect me at all

And whilst I may get blown up by an IS suicide bomber on my evening walk over London Bridge, i'd say that's beyond unlikely.

the threat of radical Islam, which is what all this is about. Denying what goes on in the middle east or elsewhere won't lessen the problem.

I'm not denying the problems in the middle east, I'm saying the media should be VERY careful in the way they report things, and should not be free to give away all the details live on national television 24/7

Hostage negotiation shouldn't happen, it creates more targets and helps fund the kidnappers. I don't see how releasing names helps recruit.

I would agree in banning anything that promotes the likes of ISIS(youtube videos or facebook or whatever their chosen media is) but not news coverage.
As bad as it is, people should know what they are like. If it wasn't for the news coverage we have had showing how bad ISIS is then so many people could be under the impression that it's just the west trying to bully some poor muslims in the middle east.

I see the argument from both sides, and I feel like it's a bit between a rock and a hardplace to be honest.

 

[iamtheoneneo]

Surely this would make Jordan more inclined to attack IS now?
Seeing one of your (very well connected) pilots publicly burnt to death is hardly likely to endear IS to the Jordanians. Maybe IS think beheading doesn't have the shock value it once had.

About time the gloves came off IMO.

They'v got it right to be honest. eye for an eye - diplomacy will not work here at all.
Its akin to the non-allied barbarians during the Roman era, and Hitler in WW2 - they want a war, they want to shed as much blood as possible and they dont care how or probably even why anymore. Talking at a table discussing what to do is going to do nothing, It requires a full on war effort by every single country that cares enough to help. (more than just the bombers, and special forces at the moment)

Sure the west doesnt want a war, but its in one whether it likes it or not, and sooner or later something really bad is going to happen that will make it commit.

 

[Amnesia]

The Koran states almost every other sura that you need to guard against evil, I read 20 or so this morning and the phrase "guard against evil" comes up again and again and again. So from what i understand as a Muslim god has given you a duty to stand up to these people.

and the muslims countries need to play their part in eradicating the threat...not solely rely on the west to solve problems which are closer to home.

 

[robgmun]

and the muslims countries need to play their part in eradicating the threat...not solely rely on the west to solve problems which are closer to home.

Agree on both counts, it need to be a collaborative effort, but as you know the 'good' Muslims in those countries a badly trained and have next to no weapons to fight, we're trying to help but they are still wholly inadequate. And whats to say they don't don't turn on us once it's done? Which has happened a few times now

 

[Xordium]

There are hundreds of conflicts going on that don't have the label of "ISLAM" attached, and so don't get reported much - that will almost certainly never affect me at all

Could have saved yourself some waffle and deflection there and said "No I can't".