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. They threw a homosexual man off the roof and when he survived they stoned him to death .ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion
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. They threw a homosexual man off the roof and when he survived they stoned him to death .
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What???? They are truly barbaric... Poor guy...
You wouldn't rat out the local firm let alone nutters that are willing to cut your head off for just looking the wrong way. And those you would collude with, frankly, offer you no protection whatsoever as they are thousands of miles away.
I personally feel that if we are indeed facing an ever growing organisation as barbaric as the IS. Then we are losing the 'good fight' if you will. If we are too cowardly to really pick up the pace and sit back as we watch these guys butcher innocents to prove their political/power points then we are no better.
So, I don't know if you expected me to answer some crap about oil or what ever as I'm heavily uneducated on the matter. But to me, a bystander, I just feel like we are losing. How much have the spread in the last 12 months? How many recruits daily are going over to fight with them? How many innocents are dieing daily?
Or, you're just trolling.
They're amongst civilians, so we'd need troops on the ground, and while we'd easily win, it would be a major operation (costing the lives of soldiers).
I think the worst thing is, even if we wiped them out, in a few years there will be another situation just the same. These countries are a disaster.
Yea, that view is very true. So sadly, there is no real way to win.
Another reason why we are losing. A free world can't be free without someone trying to take control.
In my eyes, the only way is to push hard on the group, and as soon as another crops up. Push even harder on them. Demonstrate that we are not afraid. As that is all their playing on now, is our fear. In my eyes (again, uneducated on the matter). We look cowardly with our air raids and lack of drive to eradicate them. We are all political, they are all force. The people see the political side as a diminishing effort to disguise fear.
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We haven't just "sat still" we've been in joint operations with the US, Denmark, Sweden, France, Germany, Canada, Spain, Jordan, Kurdistan, Poland and some others in the fight against IS since this all started. We've also been training and assisting local forces.
(Official) Popular opinion is we don't want another decade+ of fighting so far from home like we still do in Iraq and Afghanistan.
So.. what are we losing?
"Easily win" like we are yet to do in Afghanistan, you mean?
Then I don't know the answer to your question it seems.
Let me ask you a question as you only seem to be full of them. What is your view on the situation? How do you feel it's taken shape?
Oh, and I'm asking out of curiosity and I'm being nice, I don't mean it harshly or keyboard warrior way. As I said, I'm uneducated on the matter and any opinion is nice knowing.
When free to engage in open assault yes. If you look into the war in Afghanistan the British army was very effective and cleared the taliban from huge swathes of the country. The trouble arose afterwards when the areas were handed over to the afghan national army. And the fact the taliban frequently retreated in to countries where they could not be persued. For example Pakistan. This is not the case with isis who kinda have nowhere to run. Unless they do the usual cowardly thing and blend in with civilians as was the case with the original iraqi insurgency.
We won that pretty quickly, to be fair. It just takes time to root out insurgents and similar. Another reason we should steer clear of this, offer military support by all means, air strikes and similar, but we don't want people on the ground.
It's way more difficult and complex than most give credence, is what I think. Particularly the numb-skulls who think boots on ground will just instantly fix it.
Many constantly underestimate the fighting forces of groups like IS and Al-Qaeda. The best armies in the world with the best equipment and the biggest budgets haven't beaten "goat herders hiding in the mountains" with 12 years of all out war. What the hell makes people think these guys will be any easier?
I'm of the opinion that we're on the right track already. Offering as much support, training and munitions as we can, without getting involved first-hand. It's not our fight for a start, and we need local forces to stabilise, not become dependent upon foreigners. Iraq collapsed in on itself because "the West" heavy footed in, eradicated any form of political structure they had before, and left a massive power vacuum.
I also often wonder why we do nothing to help the similar (and often graver) situations in Africa. Everybody always worried about the welfare and humanitarian needs of the middle east, but lets not worry about Africa. So what's the ulterior motive there? Why all the focus on the middle east? Not that I dispute help is needed, mind.
I also hold suspicion that the same people calling for boots on the ground from the comfort of their own homes will be the first to cry "bring them back!" the moment the media starts reporting losses.
Many constantly underestimate the fighting forces of groups like IS and Al-Qaeda. The best armies in the world with the best equipment and the biggest budgets haven't beaten "goat herders hiding in the mountains" with 12 years of all out war. What the hell makes people think these guys will be any easier?
I'm of the opinion that we're on the right track already. Offering as much support, training and munitions as we can, without getting involved first-hand. It's not our fight for a start, and we need local forces to stabilise, not become dependent upon foreigners. Iraq collapsed in on itself because "the West" heavy footed in, eradicated any form of political structure they had before, and left a massive power vacuum.
I also often wonder why we do nothing to help the similar (and often graver) situations in Africa. Everybody always worried about the welfare and humanitarian needs of the middle east, but lets not worry about Africa. So what's the ulterior motive there? Why all the focus on the middle east? Not that I dispute help is needed, mind.
I also hold suspicion that the same people calling for boots on the ground from the comfort of their own homes will be the first to cry "bring them back!" the moment the media starts reporting losses.
We didn't win squat. Al-Qaeda and similar are still going strong. The rest I agree with, as you can see in my previous post
door to door fighting in iraq against the people that actually put up a fight was far from easy.
large parts of the country declared their own war against the infidels
and as for your easy win let's consider this
IS were born from the Iraq war which was easily "won"
not so much of a win anymore
I often wonder the same. It most likely boils down to oil...
12 years of war + Taliban (or whatever their current name is) still going = no win. They are still recruiting many to their cause to this day. The same will/is happening with IS.
I'm not being derisive to our forces. They are amazing at what they do. I am only emphasising it is not easy.
Yes but you're not addressing the main point I made. The taliban ran away in to friendly territory where they couldn't be persued. Isis probably don't have that option!
That is a really good view and opinion. Thanks. Actually made me change my view. Thanks