Poll: General election voting intentions poll

[Caged]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ners-pay-a-quarter-of-nations-income-tax.html

The top 300k earners pay 25% of income tax...

You are either only reading the news that suits, or just deliberately being misleading again.

The numbers will always read like that, that's how tax works - people who earn more pay more (they also get to keep more). A rising proportion of the total tax income being funded by fewer people means they are either earning more, or the people not included in the group defined as the 'richest' are earning less. This doesn't reflect some sort of narrative that the Coalition are taxing the rich that the article is attempting to lean towards.

No that's for the state to sort out. The rich pay their taxes, those taxes are the 'trickle down'.

Just to pick up on this, 'trickle-down economics' doesn't refer to how tax take is spent, it's the idea that providing funds to business owners will benefit the employees of those businesses through pay rises, more people being employed etc. While that might have been true at one point, it's not really fair to call businesses 'job creators' because they don't create the need for jobs, they just handle employing someone. No business with some spare cash would just hand out pay rises or employ more staff, they would do it as a reaction to increased demand caused by the people who are the ultimate customers of whatever product they sell, which is the middle classes. Throwing money in at the top does absolutely nothing if the middle classes aren't in a position to be consumers.

 

[robgmun]

So would it be fair to say that you see causing deliberate harm to the UK in the short term as a price worth paying if it means that by the time an EU referendum rolls around, enough people believe that the cause of our issues is the EU (and a solution to those problems is an exit) that we leave?

Well you and me are always going to see it in different ways. Voting No to everything ensures the less regulations we have to disassociate ourselves with once we leave the EU.

All these wonderful things the EU has done for us could have easily been done by our own government, they have got incredibly lazy sucking on the EU teet. And once we leave we can make a lot of our own laws again.

 

[Caged]

I just don't see the logic in voting against things which benefit the country you are supposedly representing because one day you might exit the EU and so it's one less thing to have to repeal. You seem to have no issue with UK taxpayers money missing out on opportunities to benefit the UK taxpayers as long as it furthers the cause of a party you have aligned yourself with, which is at best odd.

To me it just seems like a poorly thought-out excuse to attempt to excuse childish behaviour and an apathy to performing the task they were elected to perform as being somehow part of a grand plan.

 

[Mr Jack]

I'd definitely not take the results from here as being equivalent to a proper opinion poll, this is just meant to be a bit of fun and it's hardly conducted in the most rigorous of circumstances.

Of course, but that wasn't what I was getting at. I'm suggesting that the difference between this poll and national polling suggests that OCUK has different voting patterns to the public at large.

 

[Tunney]

All these wonderful things the EU has done for us could have easily been done by our own government, they have got incredibly lazy sucking on the EU teet. And once we leave we can make a lot of our own laws again.

You don't see the value in harmonised laws across Europe, especially in areas such as tax evasion?

 

[Deleted member 66701]

So far I haven't seen nor attempted to brainwash a child into thinking the EU is the (I assume) saviour of the planet. Where can I apply to get EU funding to do this?

Ditto.

Been at uni a while now - can't recall the EU even being mentioned once.

 

[Crpwned]

I just don't see the logic in voting against things which benefit the country you are supposedly representing because one day you might exit the EU and so it's one less thing to have to repeal. You seem to have no issue with UK taxpayers money missing out on opportunities to benefit the UK taxpayers as long as it furthers the cause of a party you have aligned yourself with, which is at best odd.

To me it just seems like a poorly thought-out excuse to attempt to excuse childish behaviour and an apathy to performing the task they were elected to perform as being somehow part of a grand plan.

Amen to that

Been at uni a while now - can't recall the EU even being mentioned once.

You must be one of the lucky few, it's all part of the conspiracy to brainwash Britain into the lefty way of thinking. Or it's just a cheap lie to pull in a few votes.

UKIP continue hoovering up all of the nutty candidates.

It's like they rolled up all the UKIP stereotypes into one person, all he needs to do now is come out with some kind of severely racist comment and the seventh seal will unlock

 

[ReltonBFD]

Amen to that

It's like they rolled up all the UKIP stereotypes into one person, all he needs to do now is come out with some kind of severely racist comment and the seventh seal will unlock

When i see one of these stories about a UKIP candidate and the digging into the backgrounds , it just comes across as clutching at straws .

Instead of the other party's constantly ****ging each other and UKIP off , they should be telling us Why to vote for them , not this negative type of politics , spin and lies

 

[Mr Jack]

But not as flawed as command economies or enforced wealth redistribution...

That's a deeply ridiculous comparison, Dolph. The fact is, of course, that there is not a single totally free market economy in the world nor has there ever been. There are no true free markets - it's an ideal concept never perfectly reflected in the real world. The question is not "trickle down" vs command economy but rather the extent to which different mechanisms are employed within the economy to best benefit the people of the country and help create the best society.

Trickle down economics has failed. It has failed to create increased growth, failed to increase the median wealth of the nations that have employed it most enthusiastically, failed to drive increases in productivity and, most damningly, helped created the circumstances in which the 2008 crash could reach such epic proportions.

 

[Tunney]

When i see one of these stories about a UKIP candidate and the digging into the backgrounds , it just comes across as clutching at straws .

Would you want him as your local MP? The guy is a massive homophobe despite writing one of the most iconic gay anthems of all time!

 

[ReltonBFD]

Would you want him as your local MP? The guy is a massive homophobe despite writing one of the most iconic gay anthems of all time!

I hate this term homophobe, personally I don't agree with it, am I accepting of what they do yes but I don't think it's right to be forced and to be perceived as normal. I don't think that is homophobe , I'll tell you now if you choose to believe it I was in a gay bar last night haha ironic I know I was there with a lass but it doesn't change my views.


You can do 5 mins of research and find a huge amounts of labour, tory and dems public figures who have done dodgy ****. Just seems a unfair balance how much comes UKIPS way

 

[Christmas themed thank]

If I could vote it would be for the Conservatives.

Are they perfect, no. However, they have at least tried and succeeded (at least a bit) to sort out the mess of a country Labour left us with.

I don't know if they'll get a majority though. Lots of people seem to hate them and I can't understand that myself - Labour did a lot worse than them IMO.

 

[Christmas themed thank]

I do have a question though: why do Labour think it is fair to punish people with lots of money who can therefore afford large houses?

 

[Dolph]

I do have a question though: why do Labour think it is fair to punish people with lots of money who can therefore afford large houses?

Because the labour party has a really skewed perception of fairness where equality under the law is secondary to perceived equality of outcome. Therefore, it is perfectly acceptable to abuse the rights of people if it furthers a cause.

There will no doubt be people along shortly to defend this behaviour, because there are people on this site who share a belief in this abusive fallacy.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

There will no doubt be people along shortly to defend this behaviour, because there are people on this site who share a belief in this abusive fallacy.

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[Mr Jack]

I do have a question though: why do Labour think it is fair to punish people with lots of money who can therefore afford large houses?

No-one is being punished. The rich are being asked to contribute slightly more back to the system in which they have become rich. This is not a punishment.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

No-one is being punished. The rich are being asked to contribute slightly more back to the system in which they have become rich. This is not a punishment.

Well, they're not being asked, they're being told/forced to.

I agree with the statement in principle though.

 

[Dolph]

No-one is being punished. The rich are being asked to contribute slightly more back to the system in which they have become rich. This is not a punishment.

If they are having their property removed under threat at a different rate to the the general population, punishment is exactly what it is.

 

[scorza]

If they are having their property removed under threat at a different rate to the the general population, punishment is exactly what it is.

The general population (of which even the super-rich are part of) are all treated the same. Joe Ne'erdowell might not be affected by mansion tax, but if he wins the Euromillions and buys a mansion in this country he will be. This isn't punishment, Joe will still want to win the Euromillions.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

If they are having their property removed under threat at a different rate to the the general population, punishment is exactly what it is.

That's not the definition of punishment.