ISIS and Islamic militants - discussion
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I've thought this for some time, it's the perfect way to winkle out the radical section of society, we know they exist, why stop them going? The danger is some return a more hardened version of their former self, the Dutch PM has a rather robust solution for this, not sure how this would fly with the lily livered brigade in the UK however.
http://www.newsweek.com/better-jihadis-die-abroad-come-home-says-dutch-pm-311922
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Prevention? Don't program kids with superstitious nonsense from birth. That way we won't have to de-program them when it goes wrong.
How do you propose that prevention takes place if bigoted policies like "Lets encourage them to go" are in place? That will do nothing but encourage jihad because they really will feel persecuted and martyrdom will be even more attractive.
Also your comment is so thinly related to this topic/conversation that it is transparent. I wasn't asking for examples of prevention, I was asking whether he thinks prevention is course of action that should be pursued.
Clearly you just want to rant and blame them as just being evil and that's that, and are trying desperately to shoehorn it in to the conversation. The point being made is we can never prevent the radicalising of anyone if all you are going to do is radically condemn those that are doing it (taste the irony yet?) If it is investigated and/or studied, then it will be easier to identify earlier, with the possibility to intervene and prevent, people from joining the jihad in the first place.
At the absolute least it would be useful to find those who are actively radicalising people so that they can be prosecuted. Impossible to do if all you are willing to do is cower behind your computer and point the finger at the entire Muslim demographic, don't you think?
Though it's more than obvious some members are using ISIS and chums as an excuse to rant about eradicating the entire community, and race whilst they are at it.
Also your comment is so thinly related to this topic/conversation that it is transparent. I wasn't asking for examples of prevention, I was asking whether he thinks prevention is course of action that should be pursued.
Clearly you just want to rant and blame them as just being evil and that's that, and are trying desperately to shoehorn it in to the conversation. The point being made is we can never prevent the radicalising of anyone if all you are going to do is radically condemn those that are doing it (taste the irony yet?) If it is investigated and/or studied, then it will be easier to identify earlier, with the possibility to intervene and prevent, people from joining the jihad in the first place.
At the absolute least it would be useful to find those who are actively radicalising people so that they can be prosecuted. Impossible to do if all you are willing to do is cower behind your computer and point the finger at the entire Muslim demographic, don't you think?
Though it's more than obvious some members are using ISIS and chums as an excuse to rant about eradicating the entire community, and race whilst they are at it.
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Your apologetics have gone from desperate, to gut wrenching, and now bizarre and nonsensical.
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Er...
I'm pretty sure babies and toddlers aren't flying out to join IS.
The rest of your angry gish gallop makes no sense and isn't worth anyone's time.
Ha, so you can't address it, you'd rather spin off back to peppering insults instead.
If policies like "Encourage them to go" are in place, that is not tackling the problem, that is fanning the flames. Prevention will be even harder than it is today.
Can you respond to that?
Also we can go back, again, to several pages ago where it has been pointed out that should we somehow magically rid the world of religion, it won't matter one bit as some other ideology will take its place. Such as that which you are demonstrating with your prejudice against everyone Muslim.
What about that? Can you respond to that?
If policies like "Encourage them to go" are in place, that is not tackling the problem, that is fanning the flames. Prevention will be even harder than it is today.
Can you respond to that?
Also we can go back, again, to several pages ago where it has been pointed out that should we somehow magically rid the world of religion, it won't matter one bit as some other ideology will take its place. Such as that which you are demonstrating with your prejudice against everyone Muslim.
What about that? Can you respond to that?
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What do you suggest?
He addressed it before you even moaned that he couldn't, then re-posted it above
No, he specifically avoided the part to be addressed. The bit that is reiterated (That you have then skimmed as well)
"Jihadi John" was not programmed with superstitious nonsense from birth, at least no more than the rest of his family. They're normal British citizens yet he is butchering innocent people, which implies that religion isn't sufficient to explain this type of extremism.
People such as "Jihadi John" exist everywhere, regardless of religions or other ideologies. Normally, they join gangs, start bar fights, become hooligans or other things at the edges of society. Islamic Fundamentalism simply gives these people an excuse to engage in antisocial activities, the opportunity to do it in the most violent manner imagineable and an environment in which they can't be held accountable for their crimes.
Terrorism will exist long after religions are gone and forgotten.
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I'd let anyone who wanted to live with ISIS to go. What is the point in keeping them here when they hate this country? Let them go and let them die in Syria or wherever, not stew here and grow resentful and blow up a shopping centre or try to kill a soldier for their warped religion.
The recent polls have shown there is a significant number of Muslims who sympathise with these recent attacks on free speech and 1 in 5 think Islam is incompatible with western society. That is in a fairly liberal country like the UK. You can't just gloss over this with the tired 'not all Muslims think that!' or all this mixing up race and religion argument you seem to be advancing to shout people down. If you can convert to it then it isn't a race.
As for finding those who radicalise, are we sending plod over to Raqqa to dismantle the ISIS propaganda machine? There isn't some hidden base where these preachers are all transmitting their sermons that the coppers will raid. ISIS are using verses from the quran and taking a literal interpretation of them and recruiting newer people without much knowledge of Islam as well as playing on the fears of the people you want to see stay in the UK.
You really do have selective amnesia. We've discussed those same polls several times. You're not going to convince anyone by simply repeating the same number again and again, with the same misinformation you keep posting with it - they sympathise with the motives behind the attacks, not sympathise with ISIS directly - and 95% of them agree UK law should be followed.
Do you agree that we should dump in the middle of the Atlantic every murderer, rapist and mobster?
