The OcUK Relationship Counselling and Hugs Thread

You're right. You're advice has been spot in so far, it really has and i am very appreciative for you taking the time to give it.

That's okay, I can touch-type, so it's not too bad. If I don't think I can contribute something constructive, I don't post, but.... wall of text incoming!

I think she does care, shes still quick to run over and try and console me if she thinks i'm upset over something and the fact that i'm upset is clearly getting to her.

Thing is, that's window-dressing. It's easy to pat someone on the shoulder and say "there there". It's meaningless and costs her nothing, makes both her and you feel a little better, but it resolves nothing. It's activity without accomplishment.

What she won't do for you is anything that inconveniences herself at all. She won't even put her phone down for a meal or turn up on time. How's she going to fix what she's doing wrong when she prefers to go out and party with her friends than spend time with you? How's she going to take her meds regularly when she'd rather do drink and drugs? How's she going to go to CBT when she thinks there's nothing wrong with what she's doing? She doesn't even come home to you at night. She would rather be with other people in other places.

Yes, she'll tell you she feels bad, because that's what she thinks she should say/feel, but she keeps doing what she's doing anyway. People who love you (as opposed to people who say they love you) don't behave that way. Even if she does try to do the very least to make you feel better, that's the guilt talking, not love. That's why she carries on doing what she wants regardless, and now you're the source of her feeling guilty. That's why she doesn't want to be around you and pushes you away.

I was told yesterday by my mum that my ex (still feels weird) seems massively depressed still and it explains why she's angry at every little thing both regarding me and normal everyday stuff that has nothing to do with me. I went round to visit said mutual friends last night and it was mentioned that she's like it at work too.

It is to do with you, because you are part of her life. You are part of everything she can't handle, and why she goes partying with her friends and won't spend time with you. She's with you out of habit, but you're part of her life, and that life is something she can't deal with, so she self-medicates with drink, drugs, parties, and (possible) random sex when she's not coming home all night.

I feel bad because she's clearly not able to think straight and make rational decisions at the minute and i want to be there for her to help her through this. I genuinely see a possibility of us being happy together if she can kick the depression and take a step back to look at things with a different perspective. The problem is that at least halfway through we had a great

Depression isn't something that you just kick. Suffering from depression means that she is fundamentally thinking about things in a very different way from you. Behaviour that may not make any sense to you at all may seem perfectly reasonable to her. She may even think she's doing you a big favour by splitting up with you, because she's hurting you. It won't even occur to her that she could stop doing the behaviour that hurts you in the first place.

Depression is something you get treated for, and may have to change your life to get better. If you're lucky, she may eventually be able to get herself onto a more even keel, but that isn't something that can happen until she wants to make the effort. To hope she will do this and everything will be magically fixed.... that's a fantasy I'm afraid. She's not trying, she's not asking for your help or support, she's pushing you away because she wants a new life that doesn't include you. I know you feel loyal and want to help, but she's already left the relationship. You have to live with that reality, not keep hoping the past comes back. She will never be that person again. Even if she fixes herself and comes back to you, she will be a different version of that woman from the past. That's how relationships evolve, or fizzle out to nothing.

run of thIngs. We both clearly cared about each other and things were great between us despite a few external situations being not so great. At the minute shes screwing everything up and is becoming so angry and bitter that even the little things i do wrong become these monstruous issues that are turning her sour towards me and its hard to be around her when she's like this. You're all right, i do keep thinking if she can get through this and she manages to come through it okay on the other side then i dont want to have left her and moved on and miss out on us being genuinely happy together later. So in that regard i'm at a loss on what to do.

Men do tend to want to stay and try to fix people. This is white knight syndrome. Also in your position, a man tends to find it harder to talk about, understand, or even acknowledge his feelings. This means his emotional support network tends to be focussed on his partner. A woman talks to friends, her mother, sisters, etc, so is more emotionally supported in the event of a break-up. What this means is that you may be trying to stay and fix her because you're wired to be stubborn about this, and men are wired to be emotionally more invested into the relationship.

In reality, you need to take a step back and try to be objective. If you just met this woman and spent a week dating her, would you stay with her? Instead you are fantasising about this good relationship that you had for a time in the past, but she's not that person any more.

But at the same time you guys are right in that she is only pushing me away at the minute and doesnt seem to want to fix herself, hell she might not even realise how badly she's functioning at the minute. In that regard i think its best for both of us if we do have our own place and i'm almost sorted financially (referencing and agent fees are a *****!) to being able to do that. Unfortunately yesterdays viewings were pretty bad and i came away feeling fairly hopeless but got some more booked in today that look a heck of a lot nicer.

I think me plan is that i'm going to have to get my own place and leave her to it. If she gets stuck or somehow wakes up and realises what shes done then i'm going to be there for her, i dont know how i could care about someone so much and then just cut all ties. It really isnt me. But at the same time i'm going to be working on my own life, looking for jobs that suit me - wherever they may be - and looking out for myself so i can do all the things i want to do.

This is why the recommended response to a break up is "severing". This is especially important for a man who puts his emotional well being into a woman he's just broken up with. You still see your ex though glasses tinted by the times and emotions you shared when things were good. This will not just hold you back in the past, it will actively stop you moving forwards with anyone else, or even other parts of your life. The emotional space that might be filled by another woman in the future is still filled with your ex. This ensures that you can't fill that space with someone else and move on.

If you do meet someone else, how is that new woman going to feel about you "always being there" for your ex? How are you going to manage that? Tell your new girlfriend that your old girlfriend is more important? Or are you going to hamstring any new relationship because you think your ex might come back to you? Do you think you can stay in limbo yourself in the hope your ex fixes herself? Do you think she will want a static version of you once she has moved on and changed as a person? How long will you intend to wait in your ivory tower whilst your ex magically fixes herself with drink, drugs and sex? Life is not a Hollywood movie where broken people fix each other.

Severing all past ties allows you to move forwards, without being constantly dragged down by the emotional baggage this relationship has left you with. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that you had this relationship and that you loved this woman. It's part of the life you lived and has changed you. However, clinging to it when it's over will stunt your ability to move forwards with your life. You need to learn to carry that emotional baggage in a way that doesn't keep dragging you back down into this woman's life, and for most people distance is the key.

She wants out, and you need to give her that time, but instead of waiting in limbo to see if she fixes herself (which she won't, because she hasn't hit rock bottom yet), you need to move forwards yourself. Leave that woman and relationship behind in the past, and concentrate on making yourself happy, and maybe finding someone else who actually wants to be with you and wants to make you happy, instead of doing things that hurt you.

Every relationship is different, and every relationship goes through a life cycle, a beginning, middle and end. People start out as strangers, and things evolve and change. Sometimes you have marriage, kids house, live a life. Sometimes things fizzle out or misfire, the relationship ends and you both go on to find other people to make you far happier than you thought possible with the old person. Sometimes relationships and people are not fixable, and things come to a natural end, and you have to accept that as a possibility, and take your life forwards anyway.

You need to stop trying to fix your ex and give her time to sort herself out and see if she comes back to you of her own accord or if the fixed version of her may not even want to be with you. At the same time, you need to move forwards and grow yourself, see if you meet someone else that is more compatible and shows you a different life you could have.

If she does lose her job, then whatever you do, do not take her in to live with you in your new place. This will just put you both back, and you will end up falling into the same old patterns, and things will end up being worse than ever.

I don't really know what further advice I can give you. Myself and others have posted here that you can't fix people, that despite your intentions to try and stay and help her, all you're doing is making things worse. Sometimes the best thing to do is step away and stop being part of each other's lives. This would be better for the both of you, because right now she makes you feel bad, which in turn makes her feel bad, so she self-medicates, which makes you feel bad, etc. It becomes a downwards spiral where the relationship becomes toxic to the both of you. If you want to help her and yourself, you need to both step away and move forwards with your lives separately, at least for the immediate future. That means moving forward as if the relationship is done, and with no expectations of it coming back in the future. Even if it does, it will not be the same, which in your case would be a good thing.
 
That is perhaps the best Lushka16's Guide to Getting Dumped and Taking It Like a Champ post I've seen outside the forum it originated from.

Krisboats, have a very good read of the above post #4050. It's great advice.
 
This is the classic case of a bloke clinging on to nothing. Been there myself. It will only end when she ends it and walks away from you. You will not be able to stay away. The balls in her court and she knows she has you on the backburner at any time.
 
Mines all confined and over.
Got to say I'm pretty much spent. Don't think I'll ever get over this one.

things I think of most...

-lost the best I will ever get.. Genuinely think this, not just some irrational reaction
-future, I'll have to compromise some critical criteria of I ever want another relationship. Namely not wanting children

Is quite hard knowing her worries are now financial and mine are life/family

i've stopped communication, hardest thing would be to see her with someone else. Fb is going too.

Driving myself is nigh on impossible. No desire to do anything
 
Everyone thinks the worst at the end it always happens I've been in 4 serious relationships in the last 20 years and always felt the same but it always gets better it was over a year gap till I'm with the girl I'm with now and I thought I wouldn't find anyone else either.

Life surprises you when your at your worst
 
Right Krisboats, I'm not going to pull any punches with my advice and you really really need to listen to what I and others are saying!

How do I know what I'm talking about, well I've been there desperately trying to cling on to something that doesn't exist any more. I've heard all the millions of promises of how things will get better if I just do this, that and the god damned other her way from now on. I've ignored, rejected this same advice from numerous others including those on this forum. I've made excuses and rationalised her behaviours and stated how if I can just get through the next bout of crazy things will be better, we'll be happy!

IT'S A ******* LIE! STOP LYING TO YOURSELF!

Your ex is depressed and maybe has other undiagnosed mental health issues, I'm not belittling what she has been through in her life but the only damned person who can do anything about it is.... wait for it.... HER!

By holding your little candle for this now lump of dead weight all you are doing is destroying your own life, your own happiness, your own chances and opportunities! Being depressed makes you incredibly selfish, that's a fact and whether it's the illness or not she doesn't care about you any more, it's all about her now... end of discussion! How do I know this, I've been depressed; suicidally so and have come through it TWICE! I know what it does.

I also know that you're at heart a good person who wants to take care of the women you love but as someone with depression all you are to her is an enabler. You enable her to act out, make excuses betray your trust, berate and belittle you and rob you of your self respect.

What got me through it, absolutely hitting rock bottom! I was a hair's width from living on the streets, Good friends and family gave me support but allowed me to either sink or swim and I chose to swim. Yeah I had to swallow my pride and go begging cap in hand for things, have even accepted financial help from people on these forums I've never met and probably never will get to but who have genuinely saved me and to whom I am eternally grateful!

If I can get through it so can she but it has to be her choice to get help and to get well!


You Krisboats, need to face facts it's over, its done you need to accept that. Cut the tumultuous little troll out of your life completely, grieve for your loss as its very similar in process to a bereavement. Then slowly but surely build the life you want for yourself, you're already in a far better position to start than I was or am now! Do the things you've always wanted to do, make new friends, reconnect with old friends... Go out and have fun, chase tail, smash multiple pasties, get a hobby or two if you've got time with all the strange pasty smashing you'll be doing and eventually, without even realising it you'll be over it and when you look back you'll see you've actually had a last minute stay of execution and a full pardon.

Do this or stay her emotional tampon!
 
Everyone thinks the worst at the end it always happens I've been in 4 serious relationships in the last 20 years and always felt the same but it always gets better it was over a year gap till I'm with the girl I'm with now and I thought I wouldn't find anyone else either.

Life surprises you when your at your worst

I just feel almost nothing positive. I'm not suicidal or anything like that but I really feel like I am existing for sake of it. Like I'm not bothered if I actually disappeared.

This all sounds very doomy but it's how rational it sounds in my that gets me.
 
Update to what I posted on the 13th of this month. She came round and talked on the 14th. and everything was fine we carried on seeing each other, I even went and met her family everything was great.
She came round mine and had a very nice time including ;) an hour after she left she text me we need to talk...again. Basically she saying she has a lot of issues which I know about. And she aint ready for a relationship and we want different things. I told her that I want her and the things that I want maybe one day aint so important as having her.
So another sleepless night until I can chat to her tomorrow. I just don't understand, she genunily have a good time but now its over. Don't think I will change her mind again :(
 
Update to what I posted on the 13th of this month. She came round and talked on the 14th. and everything was fine we carried on seeing each other, I even went and met her family everything was great.
She came round mine and had a very nice time including ;) an hour after she left she text me we need to talk...again. Basically she saying she has a lot of issues which I know about. And she aint ready for a relationship and we want different things. I told her that I want her and the things that I want maybe one day aint so important as having her.
So another sleepless night until I can chat to her tomorrow. I just don't understand, she genunily have a good time but now its over. Don't think I will change her mind again :(

So don't try to, change yours. It's not working now and it won't work in future so rip the band aid off, deal with what that entails, and then go out and be awesome with people who you are compatable with.
 
I just feel almost nothing positive. I'm not suicidal or anything like that but I really feel like I am existing for sake of it. Like I'm not bothered if I actually disappeared.

This all sounds very doomy but it's how rational it sounds in my that gets me.

Theres a great video interview of a guy explaining love is what you feel after it's gone and you should embrace the pain.

Wish I could find it to link here but my google fu is weak.
 
Mines all confined and over.
Got to say I'm pretty much spent. Don't think I'll ever get over this one.

Everyone says this and 99% genuinely mean it at the time. That doesn't make it true.

things I think of most...

-lost the best I will ever get.. Genuinely think this, not just some irrational reaction

If it was the best relationship then it wouldn't be over, would it? The heart has this really crappy way of trying to sabotage the mind sometimes.

-future, I'll have to compromise some critical criteria of I ever want another relationship. Namely not wanting children

Çomprimising critical criteria' doesn't sound like the best approach. I'd rather be with someone who shares my life goals or allows me to change mine in a positive way (and vice versa).

Is quite hard knowing her worries are now financial and mine are life/family

i've stopped communication, hardest thing would be to see her with someone else. Fb is going too.

Sever. Worry about çan we be friends'and all of that stuff way, way down the track when you can think of the question without going into a jealous rage. The correct time for re-connecting is when you feel like it, not when you feel you have to,.

Driving myself is nigh on impossible. No desire to do anything

I'm missing the context on the first part. For the second part: do something. Do anything. Go for a walk or to the gym; catch up with friends you haven't seen in a while; join a club; do something to get you out of the slump.

Chin up.
 
[FnG]magnolia;28074747 said:
So don't try to, change yours. It's not working now and it won't work in future so rip the band aid off, deal with what that entails, and then go out and be awesome with people who you are compatable with.

Thanks for reply it does make sense, I also read the last couple pages giving advice to another member by steampunk and vader. I actually found a lot of that useful aswell. I feel more better from it, and I think Im actually ok with the outcome. She does have a lot of trust issues amongst other things, but through all that shes a nice girl.
Guess keep myself busy I have my diploma and I laso have my English exam start of june. Plus I start my access course in September.
Im not that lucky with girls, the last girl I went out with finished at the start of last year. So I expect it will be along while to another girl likes me:(

Thanks again guys, I think I can actually sleep now :)
 
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It's important to still have self confidence in yourself over a breakup. Women don't tend to find desperation and self depreciation attractive.

Fake your confidence until you feel it for real.
 
I just feel almost nothing positive. I'm not suicidal or anything like that but I really feel like I am existing for sake of it. Like I'm not bothered if I actually disappeared.

This all sounds very doomy but it's how rational it sounds in my that gets me.

I get like that just going to work, probably worse... so I can assure you, you will bounce back. People do that from all kinds of seriously nasty situations.

Just never speak to them again. When they try to make contact, do your best to make them believe you are dead and force them to carry the weight.

Im on my 3rd long term relationship in life, this one has lasted over 10 years and we have kids together. I almost topped myself after the 2nd break up, even though I was the one who called it off.

Life will work out if you don't do anything drastic and let time do it's job.
 
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i've got a boyfriend (im a girl) for the last past 12th month.
We have been living together (we both got our own place, but we used to spend all our time together, in his place or mine)
We used to be really really really happy.
in march, we got the news that his work call him back to UK.
We promised each other to try to keep up the long distance relationship and to try to manage week ends to see each other, and to find a solution to have us living again together in max 1 year.
this month, he came back to my country for his work, for 2 weeks.
Just before coming, he told me we would see our plannings together and find engagement to get life easier for us.
WHen he came, he decided that he couldnt keep the girlfriend, because he's ambitious for his work,, and want to go work overseas next year.
Preferably without me, because all i ever asked is, if i had to quit my job, my appartement, my friends, my life here, i would expect that he was bringing me safety and stability if i sacrifice everything.
the plan first that i will quit my job next year, and we could find a place to live together, for at least 2 years, to let me have a job/friends, and to feel comfortable in this new life and not being a depressed housewife alone.
He doesnt want to wait 2 years. He just want to get directly the next possibility he will have next year,to go overseas , and so without me.
I don't understand what happened? i used to be like his princess for 12 months, he was so cute, loving, tender with me, and now, it's like the life he wants doesnt include me anymore, anywhere.
I'm completly broken because i can't understand that situation and what i'm supposed to do.
i was willing a long relationship with him, that was i always told him, and we were always telling that to each other,
we even got the chat of having kids one day together and to buy an house for old times etc.
and now, his work ambition is too big to be compliant with me????
Help, i need to understand.

hang on hang on. this is a one direction song
 
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