Windows 10

Skeeter · 27 Jun 2015 at 20:08

If Windows 8 has taught me anything, its that a start menu is pretty obsolete.

Pinned items on the task bar and a search function and that's it. I only ever use the start screen or menu to log off or shut down.

The only usefull things are links to settings, and they are all accessible on a right click menu now anyway!

gareth170 · 27 Jun 2015 at 20:11

Steampunk said:
Personally, I want something that is at least as good/useful as the Win7 menu (and can duplicate that for those that really can't life without it), but preferably something that is better than the Win7 menu.

personally a start menu is where u open then u get a list of programs/apps you've installed then click which program/apps u want to run.

w10 start menu does this..

what can w7 start menu do that w10 start menu can't do?

koolpc · 27 Jun 2015 at 20:15

gareth170 said:
personally a start menu is where u open then u get a list of programs/apps you've installed then click which program/apps u want to run.

w10 start menu does this..

what can w7 start menu do that w10 start menu can't do?

Agreed

Rroff · 27 Jun 2015 at 20:16

Skeeter said:
If Windows 8 has taught me anything, its that a start menu is pretty obsolete.

Pinned items on the task bar and a search function and that's it. I only ever use the start screen or menu to log off or shut down.

The only usefull things are links to settings, and they are all accessible on a right click menu now anyway!

The start menu might be obsolete for your use and I can respect that personally however I typically have my main programs pinned to the taskbar and then utility programs like calculator, image compression tools i.e. DDS converters, editpad and so on easy to get to on the start menu - far more efficient than have a clutter of them on the taskbar or typing into run/search every time and means I can get to them without ever losing place in whatever I'm working on.

What would be nice - and what I was trying to do with 10 but the options to make it happen just don't exist or are too limited to get even close to optimal results was to have easy access to things like settings, admin tools, disc tools, etc. as a strip of smaller icons at the top, the middle live tiles so I can easily see things like the weather at a glance (only need like 2, 3 tops - probably 2 medium sized tiles and 1 wide) and then the bottom a single row of my utility programs - it would have made for far superior results to what is possible in Windows 7 and a proper evolution of progress not just changes for changes sake.

gareth170 said:
personally a start menu is where u open then u get a list of programs/apps you've installed then click which program/apps u want to run.

w10 start menu does this..

what can w7 start menu do that w10 start menu can't do?

The times I have to dive deep into the start menu are fairly limited - having the list of installed programs, etc. is useful but not my immediate primary use of the start menu - its main use for me is an intermediate layer where I can get to commonly used, but not primary used, applications and utilities which works ok in 7 with a bit of organisation but isn't 100% optimal.

EDIT: Just as an example I might have the 3D modelling package (max, maya, etc.) and the world editor for whatever game engine I was working on pinned to the taskbar but the utilities to convert the assets into the game engine pipeline or package them up for a release I wouldn't want cluttering up the taskbar or having to look through a whole list of installed programs for so I'd have them pinned to the start menu.

gareth170 · 27 Jun 2015 at 20:26

Rroff said:
The times I have to dive deep into the start menu are fairly limited - having the list of installed programs, etc. is useful but not my immediate primary use of the start menu - its main use for me is an intermediate layer where I can get to commonly used, but not primary used, applications and utilities which works ok in 7 with a bit of organisation but isn't 100% optimal.

but u do know that MS will be add features even to the start menu over time, it's a ongoing project,

what u see now maybe changed/different/improved in mouths

Rroff · 27 Jun 2015 at 20:32

Thats great if it happens but as it stands now there is far from any certainty that the features that would improve my experience will make it into the OS and how ropey many of the implementations are (after the amount of time they've been working on it) doesn't inspire confidence towards that end either - as it stands it is inferior both in functionality and aesthetics to what I'm using.

Skeeter · 27 Jun 2015 at 20:37

Your making an awful lot of assumptions.

gareth170 · 27 Jun 2015 at 20:37

MS as said there will be missing features etc in rtm but they'll be releasing regular updates and feature updates

gareth170 · 27 Jun 2015 at 20:39

Skeeter said:
Your making an awful lot of assumptions.

who?

mattoxx · 27 Jun 2015 at 20:44

before I had W8 I thought that missing start menu is step backwards. Now I cannot imagine to go back to W7.

Elevon · 27 Jun 2015 at 20:46

Steampunk said:
Oh please! I can also go back pre-Dos and UNIX command lines if we're measuring e-peens.

It's not about not adapting, it's about missing the opportunity to make something better, instead of just throwing something out there for the sake of change and telling people to adapt to it.

It's a classic engineer's mistake, like putting a row of buttons in a car instead of a steering wheel and expecting people to be happy about it.

Oh please don't be naive,Windows is always going through changes,what is best for one person is not for another,you and I know Windows is always evolving just like hardware has evolved over the decades.

I could also argue you can't expect the Start menu to stay the same forever,that is going to evolve and will do so for many years or decades,end of the day the Start menu is a minor issue(you can't design a perfect menu for everyone),if that worries then maybe you should not be using Windows.

Last point nobody stated Microsoft OSs are perfect,they have never been and never will.

ED209 · 27 Jun 2015 at 20:49

I like windows 10 but not the start menu, metro UI or the charms.

my solution to all this is to install classic shell for free and then I get what I like and be in W10 lol

Skeeter · 27 Jun 2015 at 20:56

gareth170 said:
who?

Rroff

Rroff · 27 Jun 2015 at 20:58

I'm making assumptions? my post is the very definition of not making assumptions :S (unless someone can point me to a definite roadmap for Windows 10 feature development).

Elevon · 27 Jun 2015 at 21:09

Rroff said:
I'm making assumptions? my post is the very definition of not making assumptions :S (unless someone can point me to a definite roadmap for Windows 10 feature development).

I think the only assumption that some users have stated is the Start menu for Win10,end of the day we still don't know what the final or RTM build is for Win10 so that'll be interesting to see.

gareth170 · 27 Jun 2015 at 21:16

Rroff said:
I'm making assumptions? my post is the very definition of not making assumptions :S (unless someone can point me to a definite roadmap for Windows 10 feature development).

after release MS will be continuing to work with insider feedback to improve / add features

Winky_The_Winking_Turtle · 27 Jun 2015 at 21:31

Hi,

I plan to re-install Windows (usually do this every other summer to clean things up a bit), and I'm guessing when I get all the latest updates again, I'll get the prompt to upgrade to Windows 10? Sorry if this has been asked before.

Steampunk · 27 Jun 2015 at 21:39

Elevon said:
Oh please don't be naive,Windows is always going through changes,what is best for one person is not for another,you and I know Windows is always evolving just like hardware has evolved over the decades.

I could also argue you can't expect the Start menu to stay the same forever,that is going to evolve and will do so for many years or decades,end of the day the Start menu is a minor issue(you can't design a perfect menu for everyone),if that worries then maybe you should not be using Windows.

Last point nobody stated Microsoft OSs are perfect,they have never been and never will.

I can point to Win 8/8.1 sales and say that that direction was obviously not the one to go in as it was not acceptable to the majority. There's always better solutions, and worse solutions. The idea is for a new OS to use the better solutions, not the worse ones just because there's some idealogical need to do something different.

Put in something crappy and just tell your consumer base to "deal with it" will get you the commercial finger back (as per Win 8 sales).

Elevon · 27 Jun 2015 at 21:49

Steampunk said:
I can point to Win 8/8.1 sales and say that that direction was obviously not the one to go in as it was not acceptable to the majority. There's always better solutions, and worse solutions. The idea is for a new OS to use the better solutions, not the worse ones just because there's some idealogical need to do something different.

Put in something crappy and just tell your consumer base to "deal with it" will get you the commercial finger back (as per Win 8 sales).

Microsoft will do what they think is best at the time ,you only have to look at history,remember Windows Millennium ?..Now we all know how well that turned out even with an earlier type of Win7 Start menu.

You have options ,you don't have to get the free offer of 10 from 7/8.
Nobody has a gun at their head saying you have to buy this or that.

Rroff · 27 Jun 2015 at 21:58

Elevon said:
Now we all know how well that turned out even with an earlier type of Win7 Start menu.

That is an interesting turn of phrase - that kind of start menu system existed long before Windows 95 let alone ME and didn't turn up in Windows 95 by chance either.

What killed ME as much as anything was the underlying performance and stability issues on some systems even with 64MB RAM it could take almost 10 minutes from pressing the power button until you were at a fully loaded desktop and even then it would be quite laggy with a lot of disc IO.