The labour Leader thread...

phonemonkey said:
We've been killing terrorists for 14 years in the Middle East, and it doesn't seem to be working.
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We've had a war on drugs that brought more drugs, we had a war on terrorists that created more terrorists.

Personally I'm hoping for a war on jobs, free money and blondes wearing high heels and stockings to see where that goes.
 
Aldav said:
They might be getting ahead of themselves and it is certainly very presumptuous to predict an election result 4 years ahead. They're hard enough to predict 4 hours ahead.

But there's some historical evidence supporting that view. When was the last time the UK elected a hard left government? Other than the New Labour so despised by the left, when was the last time Labour were elected to serve two, never mind three, successive full terms?

Unless the country has lurched significantly to the left, there's reason to justify why just about every leading PLP figure over the few decades thinks, and publicly says, this will be a disaster for Labour. Only time will tell if they're right.
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My concern will be - the general population aren't exactly the smartest when it comes to these things - the general trend might be (as has happened in the past) general dissatisfaction when inevitably the Tories don't live upto people's idealistic vision of how things should be "we'll we tried the Tories" and vote the opposite without truly looking at what that means.
 
phonemonkey said:
We've been killing terrorists for 14 years in the Middle East, and it doesn't seem to be working.
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Invite them for a chat and a cup of tea then, see how well that goes.

I can assure you their numbers are declining, thats kind of what happens when you bomb someone.

amigafan2003 said:
we had a war on terrorists that created more terrorists.
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Has it? says who?

People used to say crap like, "if you kill Osama Bin Laden ten more will pop up in his place".... well that hasnt happened.
 
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One More Solo said:
I think people predicting Tory domination are getting ahead of themselves. The electorate are very unpredictable and a Corbyn led party could attract back a lot of the hardline left voters that left Labour in the general election.

I'm not a huge Corbyn fan but it will be nice to have some actual opposition and ideological differences in politics for once.
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exactly, new labour has been nothing but tory lite, its good to have a true opposition and one where they won't vote with the nasty party. We need someone opposed to billions on trident and war mongering that the nasty party love.

Least Corbyn is a principled man and you can't say that about cameron, so he is the true opposition.
 
Johno please? said:
Invite them for a chat and a cup of tea then, see how well that goes.

I can assure you their numbers are declining, thats kind of what happens when you bomb someone.



Has it? says who?

People used to say crap like, "if you kill Osama Bin Laden ten more will pop up in his place".... well that hasnt happened.
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If there was a finite number of terrorists surely we would have killed them all by now. Since we still have terrorism, it's safe to say there are still terrorists.

I'm not saying there aren't also other reasons a person becomes a terrorist, but we have to accept that our actions do help to create an environment in places like Syria, Afghanistan etc which are ripe recruiting grounds for terrorist groups.
 
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Rachael Reeves, Tristram Hunt, Chukka Umuna, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper, Jamie Reed and Emma Reynolds have all apparently resigned/will not serve in a Corybyn Cabinet.
 
Cosimo said:
Jeremy Corbyn elected as leader.
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Lefty morons are unelectable now, superb! :D

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Tristram Hunt, Chukka Umuna, Liz Kendall, Yvette Cooper those four are useless squared.
The other three I've never heard of.
So not overly effective shadow ministers.

The concept of being a shadow minister is ridiculous anyway.
 
If corbyn can put forward a viable economic package then he get's my vote. I'm sick of the Tory focus on relieving the Rich of the tax burden and punishing the weak and poor.

Regarding Europe, the referendum next year will decide which way people decide but I agree on his anti-EU stance. The majority cause of the house price bubble, stretched services such as the NHS, are due to EU migrants, not refugees (which barely number more than 1000 per year), etc. You can barely get a doctor's appointment these days since so many are registered now.
 
fs123 said:
If corbyn can put forward a viable economic package then he get's my vote. I'm sick of the Tory focus on relieving the Rich of the tax burden and punishing the weak and poor.

Regarding Europe, the referendum next year will decide which way people decide but I agree on his anti-EU stance. The majority cause of the house price bubble, stretched services such as the NHS, are due to EU migrants, not refugees (which barely number more than 1000 per year), etc. You can barely get a doctor's appointment these days since so many are registered now.
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The Top 1% who now contribute more in taxation than ever before?
 
The fact that the tories have screwed the NHS, privatised everything that isn't nailed down and are now coming after our most vulnerable children to turn a buck for their rich friends should hopefully make them unelectable, least Corbyn represents a true alternative to the cancer of tory austerity capitalism
 
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