The labour Leader thread...

I like the tone of the new style of PMQs. The usual snide, point scoring, in both question and answer, tells us nothing, and amounts to politics with a playground mindset. I actually managed to watch it right through, without turning over in disgust. And that's been true of both Labour and Tory PMs, for years.

However, two questions remain - can they both keep it up, and did it provide more accountability and information? Whether it will continue remains to be seen, and as for accountability, well it did, but only marginally.

The "questions from the public" was, I thought, quite clever. Given a choice of 40,000 possibles, it alliwed JC to ask what he wanted to ask, while dressing it up as questions from the public. And, of course, JCs staff could have, or might in the future, simply make up their own questions and attribute them to Paul from wherever.

My impression is that had JC simply tried to take DC on in the usual bearpit atmosphere, he'd have got eaten alive. Instead, he moved things to a mode DC is less comfortable in, if for no other reason than that for years, on both sides of the aisle, he's been used to the bearpit atmosphere.

The downside is that by asking vague, anodyne questions, JC hands the incentive to DC to simply justify and explain decisions. And even that is having caught DC unawares, not knowing what to expect. Next week, DC will be prepared for that.

Hopefully, if both sides can act like adults for a while, we might see actual, genuine sincere questions that aren't intended as political landmines to be avoided, and actual, genuine answers that aren't simply default damage-avoidance mode reactions.

It just might herald a new era of adult politics. But I don't give it much chance. I think it's 50/50 if it'll las the month, and about 5% it'll last the year. If that.

The really pathetic thing is that most of these politicians are quite capable of trying to rip each other's entrails out in the public arena, then going and having a tea, cake and laugh together in the privacy of the tea room. PMQs, old-style, was about 90% theatre put on for our benefit, or more accurately, the camera's benefit.
 
That was like a This Morning phone-in.

"Prime Minister, Mary from Sevenoaks would like to ask: what's your favorite biscuit?"

And had 'Mary from sevenoaks' actually bothered to watch PMQ's in the past should would have know that all these questions had been answered multiple times in the past.
 
Surprised the media don't have a picture of JC eating an apple, it always makes people in Hollywood films look more of an ****.

After Miliband, fruit-based photos are a sore subject. So are bacon sarnies.

I remember a US presidentual advisor advocating, vehemently, a candidate should starve rather than ever risk getting photographed eating anything. Not bad advice. I mean, ever seen anything more contrived than Blair giving Brown an ice-cream cone? Other than Brown trying to look happy about it, that is?
 
I could never ever vote for a Prime Minister who wanted to do away with our nuclear deterrent. He could promise me the world, but I still couldn't condone us having no nuclear ability. Too dangerous nowadays.

TBH I can't see scrapping Trident making it to the manifesto. It'll fall by the wayside; too unpopular with the general public down here. Only thing that might change that is if Scotland becomes independent and Trident has to be moved to a major English city.
 
It's a bit more like the old days before New Labour. Quite a reasonable performance from JC. Shows how much spin NL put on everything they did. Not to say that NL didn't change things for the better in a lot of ways, which they did, but the level of spinning was pretty extreme.
 
surely the point of the opposition is to question government and the policies that they are implementing.. PMQs is typically the arena that the majority of the public have to view these debates.. after all we don't all have time to sit and watch a handful of MPs debate every bill that is up for discussion.

Although I don't always agree with the theatrics, PMQs should be about debate and it should be about the opposition questioning and putting pressure on the government to justify its actions... today was not that..

Although I would never personally be voting for JC (although historically I have voted more often for Labour than Conservative) for a lot of people PMQs are a good opportunity to form opinion and I can't see today doing anything to convince marginal voters who are typically in the centre ground that JCs Labour has anything to offer them..
 
... and I can't see today doing anything to convince marginal voters who are typically in the centre ground that JCs Labour has anything to offer them..
Agreed, unless today's less antagonistic style sets a base point from which a genuine Q&A, a genuine non-partisan probing, and answers in the same vein, can grow. It might develop into a mature exchange and that we'd all gain from, over pathetic Punch and Judy party point-scoring. Will it happen, though? I doubt it. We can but hope.
 
Agreed, unless today's less antagonistic style sets a base point from which a genuine Q&A, a genuine non-partisan probing, and answers in the same vein, can grow. It might develop into a mature exchange and that we'd all gain from, over pathetic Punch and Judy party point-scoring. Will it happen, though? I doubt it. We can but hope.

I think today was just to set the tone. Next week expect to see perhaps 3 questions 'from the public' and Corbyn using the rest to actually pick holes in Cameron's non-answers/soundbites.

Nice to hear Tories sniggering at the mention of real people's names. Class acts the lot of them.
 
I think today was just to set the tone. Next week expect to see perhaps 3 questions 'from the public' and Corbyn using the rest to actually pick holes in Cameron's non-answers/soundbites.

Nice to hear Tories sniggering at the mention of real people's names. Class acts the lot of them.

a lot of labour mps were sniggering as well apparently.
 
Why so you think it's an issue?

Haven't really got a issue with this, Most have had media training, and you can put a huge gap between corbyn and Cameron.

What I don't like is a politician fed from the silver spoon and then pretends they know how people are feeling when hit hard, they might be linked but I don't see it that way

I like politics, I wish I got involved with it more at school and did something with it. But someone like me wouldn't last two minutes. My past would be dragged up, old friends, school teachers jesus just thinking of it wants me to die.

Don't forget they would drag your family through the mud. They will find every bit of dirt to dig up on you. No matter how small.

Look what they did to Mitt Romney for smoking a joint at 12 or 15 in school?
 
I thought it was a breath of fresh air...JC is playing with politics and it's very nice to see....
Agreed, I thought it was a good performance, surprisingly good especially after the media were saying Corbyn was Cameron's "dream Labour leader".

I think at times Cameron was looking rather flustered and getting agitated due to this most unusual of PMQs and the fact that Corbyn and his team turned out to be more capable than the Conservatives were expecting.
 
Today's TV interview was somewhat disappointing as Corbyn turned out to be yet another politician that won't give a straight answer.
 
I wonder how long this gimmick of reading out Joe Bloggs emails will continue. Good leaders, those who claim to be in touch with the public, should be able to articulate those concerns on behalf of the electorate. That is their job after all.

It won't be long before Jeremy Corbyns soul and persona is completely engulfed and consumed by the behemoth political machinery and it all descends into the same old stuff.

It will be funny to see in 5 years time when everyone is wailing that 'JC' has 'changed' and 'isnt the man he used to be'. :D
 
Today's TV interview was somewhat disappointing as Corbyn turned out to be yet another politician that won't give a straight answer.

my thoughts exactly, even when asked the same question twice he trots out a political answer rather than a straight one.
 
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