Gaming 2500k cpu upgrade? 6700k or 5820k

[NightFox976]

Why do people always belittle the actual change, just look at the ARMA 3 and Crysis 3 results as an example. You are talking anywhere between a 50-100% increase in minimum framerates.

What you say is true, but then that is true of anything. A 960 will play most games at 1080p decently with high settings but there are a fair few where it will really struggle and where you really need a 980Ti to get 60fps+ all the time.

Saying a 6700k or 5820k is not worth it just depends on whether you want the best performance possible or not. If not, and you can cope with lower framerates and lower minimums in some titles then ofcourse, don't bother spending the money.

My objection is not with this premise, it is with the view held by some that a newer cpu is totaly not worth it at all, when that is simply not the case.

If the OP wants the best frames and experience possible on all titles he plays then he should get a 6700k or 5820k. Whether he can justify the money he would need to spend to get this is up to him.

really again ur missing the point and i dont want this ending up as a pointless fight as ur not going to understand what the user is using the cpu for.

To Help Clear the BS Claims of proformance increase of 100% which is more like 30-40% max on multi core games.

NO ONE IS ARGUING THE FACT THAT MULTI CORE CPUS ARE BETTER FOR MUILTI CORE GAMES, but the fact is the gains are nowhere what ur talking about proof here as u like ur arma3 as a ref point:

this my computer running arma3 and note the CPU loads and GPU load! which will be the same for the 5820K

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and if i had a i5 2500k it would show the cpu load at 50-60% at the same fps!

at the end of the day i cba with arguing as it is not the point here! the point is helping a user here with a cpu core loading problem

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[Jono8]

really again ur missing the point and i dont want this ending up as a pointless fight as ur not going to understand what the user is using the cpu for.

I am not missng the point. My point is simple and factually true - A modern i7 WILL give the OP much better performance in certain games ( and this will become more and more prevelant as more games start to use multi cores/threads).

I am trying to help the OP (he should read the link to the other thread i posted) with some sane advice that isnt just "your 2500k is still amazing for games you don't need anything else ever".

I am not sure what the picture you posted proves about ARMA 3 just on its own. I would rather actually read that thread i linked to, with people who had actually gone from a 2500k to a 6700k and posted the difference in framerates (which is massive). There are numerous videos showing the same thing as well.

From that thread:

"Minimum FPS went from roughly 35(2500k) to 65(6700k)" Also Crysis 3 results were ~32FPS minimum for 2500k and ~82FPS minimum for 6700k.

So one is nearly 100%, one is actually over 100%.

The OP was asking about upgrading to a 6700k or 5820k so i fail to see how i am "missing the point".

 

[Andy7]

to be fair benchmarking is only really for seeing cpu bottlenecking and proformance limits, not real world gaming and day to day using by the average user which is all game bais is on not on the next biggest multicore unit.

but that said if u are hdr/cad/rendering on large scale where time is money then yeah 5820k or 5930k is the way but at the prices they are makes them a very focused market processor when only less then 8-10% single core diff which is most programs like games are still using single/daul core engines (apart them the very few engines using multi core processing like 4 core and more that show proformance diff) then stuff like 5820k just pub talk really when a 4690 or a g3258 would do just as well in single core running if not better.

also as orion has said his main focus is gaming so 5820k is overkill like hunting with a rpg lol

For roughly the same price you are better off going for the extra cores of the 5820k. It games just as well as the 6700k and has the extra grunt for other things if needed. That is my opinion.

 

[NightFox976]

For roughly the same price you are better off going for the extra cores of the 5820k. It games just as well as the 6700k and has the extra grunt for other things if needed. That is my opinion.

on that point 5820k vs 6700k for 20quid diff i totally agree that the 5820k is better value for money and requirement for multi cpu

 

[Andy7]

on that point 5820k vs 6700k for 20quid diff i totally agree that the 5820k is better value for money and requirement for multi cpu

Gaming 2500k cpu upgrade? 6700k or 5820k

That is what the thread starter asked, so that is the point lol

 

[NightFox976]

Gaming 2500k cpu upgrade? 6700k or 5820k

That is what the thread starter asked, so that is the point lol

but he also believed that his cpu was maxed out and needed to upgrade to a newer cpu which isnt the case as it looks like there is a fault somewhere causing his cpu to hit 90% loads with no real stress which isnt right for a 2500k and the thread starter has now moved on from this

 

[Andy7]

but he also believed that his cpu was maxed out and needed to upgrade to a newer cpu which isnt the case as it looks like there is a fault somewhere causing his cpu to hit 90% loads with no real stress which isnt right for a 2500k

That maybe so but he asked which one to go for out of the 5820k or the 6700k.

I just gave my opinion on those two chips. For roughly the same price you would be a mug to pick the 6700k over the x99 chip.

 

[NightFox976]

That maybe so but he asked which one to go for out of the 5820k or the 6700k.

I just gave my opinion on those two chips. For roughly the same price you would be a mug to pick the 6700k over the x99 chip.

yep and on that case i do agree with you

 

[Threepwood]

but he also believed that his cpu was maxed out and needed to upgrade to a newer cpu which isnt the case as it looks like there is a fault somewhere causing his cpu to hit 90% loads with no real stress which isnt right for a 2500k and the thread starter has now moved on from this

Or, that is exactly what to expect with Wow as the example. High cpu use and low gpu use, because you know, its wow. CPU intensive, not very GPU intensive, and super especially not so at 1080p. (though I admit it is a little fishey having all 4 cores so maxed, )

and if i had a i5 2500k it would show the cpu load at 50-60% at the same fps!

my [email protected] gives 75%-85% useage in arma (heavy populated wasteland, stratis...overlooking the airbase from snipers hill) at 70fps (with a 290.) Maybe you need to tweak your settings more?

I used to be able to get x2 290's to load into the 70's useage by upping the super sampling to 150% (not enough Vram for 200%), which does look prettier, but something is wrong there at the moment as it just flips the useage between gpu 1 and gpu 2 at slightly worse fps.






Anyway.

Lets wrap up a little.

*If* you want the best, *especially* for mainly single threaded applications (arma, wow, etc) then the 6700k is the best. Simple as. Nothing is going to beat it, at all.

The next best, and really very very close next best here is the 6600k.

So, obviously (unless you have money to burn) is the question "can I make *GOOD* use of the i7's virtual cores?" If yes then buy the i7. If no then buy the i5.


However. You do already have the 2500k. We all know this is no slouch, and you are primarily a gamer, not an encoder. Sometimes doing some encoding, does not warrant upgrading from a 2500k, man, especially so at 1080p and a single GPU.

It would be like being happy with great sex for 50 mins (for free) or paying ooodles for great sex for 60 mins.

Sure, those extra 10 mins would be great and all, but there would be a tinge of regret in the wallet area for not really much more performance.

Spoiler

I upped the sex times from 5 mins and 6 mins to 50 and 60 mins to make you all feels better about your stud like selves.

 

[kinger8938]

Been thinking of upgrading my 2500k too, but wondering if i really need to yet as it still seems to hold up really well

 

[Andy7]

Been thinking of upgrading my 2500k too, but wondering if i really need to yet as it still seems to hold up really well

If it is holding up well then why ask the question?

You answered it yourself.

 

[OrionTC]

so conflicted atm lol.

the screenshot i showed with 4 cores high usage is from a MMO that is very intensive with lots of people on the screen.

thats forum thread for squad is making me wonder atm

 

[NightFox976]

so conflicted atm lol.

the screenshot i showed with 4 cores high usage is from a MMO that is very intensive with lots of people on the screen.

thats forum thread for squad is making me wonder atm

at the end of the day its up to u what u wanna do pal

but with that said if it was me i would look into why i was getting 90% load with WoW and 3 other very low demand on cpu core, after that if i couldnt find whats holding the cpu down then maybe looking at a cpu and mboard.

also on that note there is a third way looking at 4690k and a low end z97 board, again this setup is quite overkill but still give u the future proof that u are looking for without a spending over 300quid.

hope this helps

 

[OrionTC]

at the end of the day its up to u what u wanna do pal

but with that said if it was me i would look into why i was getting 90% load with WoW and 3 other very low demand on cpu core, after that if i couldnt find whats holding the cpu down then maybe looking at a cpu and mboard.

also on that note there is a third way looking at 4690k and a low end z97 board, again this setup is quite overkill but still give u the future proof that u are looking for without a spending over 300quid.

hope this helps

cheers the game is called archeage its based on the cryengine. its very demanding in certain areas.

like atm ingame im running with 124fps. but in crowded areas and mass pvp it does drop fps A LOT, i know some of it is down to the engine but im not sure how much

 

[NightFox976]

cheers the game is called archeage its based on the cryengine. its very demanding in certain areas.

like atm ingame im running with 124fps. but in crowded areas and mass pvp it does drop fps A LOT, i know some of it is down to the engine but im not sure how much

i know the cryengine very well it hammers cpus this could explain a lot of the load but i would still try a fresh copy of windows and see if this helps but really cryengine needs cores/threads cryengine isnt very efficient but to be fair it was one of the first multicore engines, where as now they are a lot better efficiency engines out there but i digress.

if after this your still not happy the way ur processor is handling the game/programs then an upgrade is really the only way but which cpu is really down what u want to spend and as ive said before i really believe in pound to core proformance and we have covered a few cpus that could more than do the job but instead of 4690k look at a 4790k as well

hope this helps

 

[bfar]

Don't forget, you might be able to flog that 2500k on the mm. Might still be worth a few quid!

 

[OrionTC]

The gf probably got her eye on it lol.

If I did it tho I'd need a new everything. Cpu mem board cooler psu and case probably. Since she will take the old.

Thanks for all the replies. Gave me something to consider

 

[bfar]

The gf probably got her eye on it lol.

If I did it tho I'd need a new everything. Cpu mem board cooler psu and case probably. Since she will take the old.

Thanks for all the replies. Gave me something to consider

Expensive upgrade so. I'd go with a 6600k or stick with the 2500k.

 

[lpx623d4]

How long do you think an i7 2600K at 4.2Ghz will be able to achieve 1080p/60fps in modern games if it's accompanied by the latest GPUs?

I feel sticking to the 2600K is clearly the common sense option personally, but is there a time or certain release where it would make sense from a gaming standpoint to consider an upgrade?

 

[~>Dg<~]

any sandy/ivy 4 cores at 3.0 ghz or more should be good for 2 years yet.

im in a similar position at moment on one of my pcs. a 3570k@4ghz. its good enough for whatever it does but tempted to just stick a 5820k in.