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No they haven't. They have given advanced notice of dropping support for what will then be (in mid 2017) a legacy Intel platform. Skylake will be 2 generations old by then.
I can see how this might be a pain for current IT purchasing, as kit bought now with 7 on it only has an 18 month asset life. But kit bought in a years time running Kaby Lake will only support 10, so maybe its time to finally getting round to removing those legacy systems so you can keep pace with the world?
I can see how this might be a pain for current IT purchasing, as kit bought now with 7 on it only has an 18 month asset life. But kit bought in a years time running Kaby Lake will only support 10, so maybe its time to finally getting round to removing those legacy systems so you can keep pace with the world?
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I meant Legacy as in the software packages people are still using that are so old they won't work on anything newer than 7, or even XP if they hack them in with XP mode.
Businesses aren't being forced with a gun against their head at all. Only new and recently new machines will need to be Windows 10. If you want to continue using old versions of Windows you will need to use old hardware too. If you want new kit you need to run the new OS.
The iPhone 7 won't support iOS1. The next Nexus phones wont ship with Cupcake.
Businesses aren't being forced with a gun against their head at all. Only new and recently new machines will need to be Windows 10. If you want to continue using old versions of Windows you will need to use old hardware too. If you want new kit you need to run the new OS.
The iPhone 7 won't support iOS1. The next Nexus phones wont ship with Cupcake.
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Unfortunately, unlike Windows 7/8, their parental system now only works with their browser. So where Firefox was covered by their system in Windows 7/8, in Windows 10, they no longer do.
So to continue using their parently control system, you have to use their browser!
Personally I think Firefox is a lot better and would prefer to use it...
Aww. Everyone loves a cupcake.
Problem is for some businesses it won't be as simple as upgrading their software packages - often there is a certain amount of bespoke software that is being endlessly beaten into still working (and does the job itself ok) that is integrated with a mesh of systems that can take years of planning to migrate to a more modern environment.
We've only just finally moved all the Windows systems at work to 7 after a massive project that started not that long after 7 was released - only a few months back the last ME machine was ceremoniously killed off (maybe a bit short sighted not to make it more easily forward portable at the same time but that isn't my call).
EDIT: I wonder how the integration with 10 will go because these systems absolutely can't be restarting of their own accord or we'd be losing a ton of money in productivity neither can they just be indiscriminately deferred - updates currently are done on a carefully planned cycle prepared on a schedule that can only be planned in a relatively short term manner i.e. just going defer that update for 2-3 months doesn't cut it (EDIT: Though on the current cycle I guess normally updates would get applied before that 2-3 months were up).
We've only just finally moved all the Windows systems at work to 7 after a massive project that started not that long after 7 was released - only a few months back the last ME machine was ceremoniously killed off (maybe a bit short sighted not to make it more easily forward portable at the same time but that isn't my call).
EDIT: I wonder how the integration with 10 will go because these systems absolutely can't be restarting of their own accord or we'd be losing a ton of money in productivity neither can they just be indiscriminately deferred - updates currently are done on a carefully planned cycle prepared on a schedule that can only be planned in a relatively short term manner i.e. just going defer that update for 2-3 months doesn't cut it (EDIT: Though on the current cycle I guess normally updates would get applied before that 2-3 months were up).
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Sure most of these are not run on a brand new 64 bit workstation anyway, but on older hardware running an older OS? hardly shafting anyone any further than currently.
Isn't that incorrect? Windows 10 will support some fairly old processors? So the hardware is still good to run W10.
Too many places would still be running XP and IE6 if the business had their way.
I've made (possibly incorrectly) the assumption that IT kit being purchased new now would be with 6th gen/Skylake chips in them, and that the life of the asset is based on it running 7. Obviously if your updating to 10 your fine, but if your buying new kit now and not planning to be running 10 within the next 2 years, your in trouble.
Its the other way round to how we usually see things fall out of support. Intel/AMD/etc will not be supporting old versions of Windows on new chips. Kaby Lake (later this year) will only work with Windows 10, for example. The cross over is Skylake, which currently works, but after July 2017, won't.
Basically it looks like if you are buying a new PC from now on, by 2017 it will need to be running Windows 10 in order to be fully supported. Windows 7 and 8.1 have a hardware support cut off, as well as a software date cut off.
For businesses not planning a move to 10 they need to look at whats in the kit they are purchasing now if they want those assets to still be fully sported in 2+ years time.
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To add some context. My employer refresh the PCs after 4 years. The new purchasing framework that goes live in March will be for Skylake, which will run until the supplier can't get stock then we'll get an equivalent performing spec of whatever replaces it. The current desktop PC is still Ivy Bridge, original kit was Sandy Bridge on the same chipset.
We are on 7, have some laptops on 8.1. Looking at 10. Putting out kit with Windows 7, and having to rebuild thousands of machines to 10 in 18 months time doesn't appeal. That's assuming the line of business apps work on 10. We've got enough of a headache with software suppliers that haven't dragged they're sorry ass products up to IE11 level (and no ETA, plus they want their pound of flesh for "maintenance"), before the downlevel versions of IE went out of support on Tuesday. So they're never going to work properly with 10 for a start...
We are on 7, have some laptops on 8.1. Looking at 10. Putting out kit with Windows 7, and having to rebuild thousands of machines to 10 in 18 months time doesn't appeal. That's assuming the line of business apps work on 10. We've got enough of a headache with software suppliers that haven't dragged they're sorry ass products up to IE11 level (and no ETA, plus they want their pound of flesh for "maintenance"), before the downlevel versions of IE went out of support on Tuesday. So they're never going to work properly with 10 for a start...
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Businesses that are downgrading from 10 on the new PCs to 7 are likely to have a IT department. A department who should have been looking at what is required to upgrade to W10 6 months ago. Sticking with old operating systems past their support date shouldn't be part of that. And, yes I know many departments have barely got out of the XP upgrade. At least the pain is still fresh in our minds so we don't get too comfortable with W7.
This is the problem. We suffer from it too. What needs to happen is when software is purchased, a plan (or included in the contract if relevant) is included to ensure a smoother upgrade process before it is purchased. I'm tired of hearing that the same old software isn't supported on Windows 7... It doesn't support IE11... It doesn't support Windows 10...
I've got a new SSD here and was thinking of trying W10 to see how it goes. Main use my desktop PC sees is Adobe CS6, Dreamweaver, Fireworks, PS and Illustrator. Plus I use it for gaming - Fallout 4 is my current favourite.
Any issues I should expect using W10 for those? PC is an i7 920 D0@4Ghz, 16Gb Corsair Vengeance, GTX760 GPU. Currently running W8.1.
Ta.
Any issues I should expect using W10 for those? PC is an i7 920 D0@4Ghz, 16Gb Corsair Vengeance, GTX760 GPU. Currently running W8.1.
Ta.
You should not have any issues with that set up afaik. The only real way to find out though is to try it and see.
should be fine, i have a I7 950 @ 4ghz, 390, 6GB of ram etc and i have no issues with W10.
i use my PC mainly for gaming and checking a few websites
Pulling support months after hardware has shipped is really pathetic.
Make these announcements before hardware ships to avoid screwing people over.