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Just a figure of speech but the point still stands. I've updated my post, the government apparently barely broke even from the £9000 fee rise...
Student support grants likely to be axed
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Just a figure of speech but the point still stands. I've updated my post, the government apparently barely broke even from the £9000 fee rise...
that's the thing - it is hardly a burden, it doesn't act like a normal loan, you pay it off when you're in a position to
frankly it shouldn't just be written off IMO but as it stands, if things don't work out for the student and they end up on a low income they can end up paying nothing still... on the other hand if they end up in a decent job then they'll quite rightly have to pay for their education
frankly it shouldn't just be written off IMO but as it stands, if things don't work out for the student and they end up on a low income they can end up paying nothing still... on the other hand if they end up in a decent job then they'll quite rightly have to pay for their education
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My issue isn't so much that grants have been changed to loans, it's the whole execution of just quietly pushing the change through without a commons vote. The whole students loans system needs reforming anyway, has been broken for a long time. A lot of it is based on the assumption that your parents can stump up the cash to support you through your studies, both my parents earn a modest middle-class wage but after tax, household bills and what not there isn't enough left. I would have worked during my studies but i just don't think i would have coped with the workload.
I do agree with paying for your own education at a higher level, but when the system put in place to support you during your studies is horribly biased and broken what else can you do? They need to start by encouraging people to do courses for skills that are in demand. I am doing one that is in high demand (Software Engineering) but still only just make ends meet during my studies.
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I'm most worried about the no Commons debate bit. In a democracy that should be worrying.
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Exactly - and many others did not receive it and as a result their loans are substantially higher.
The loans are only paid back if you earn a certain amount so the system enables people of any background to take the loans and go to University without needing to find the money up front. They then pay them back through the increased earnings they'll get if University was worthwhile, and not back them back at all if they never really earn that much.
With the number of graduates complaining they can't get jobs at an all time high, I would have thought that a decline in university attendance might not be such a bad thing.
A very bright poor kid might find a vocation that sets him up better than a degree would.
Of course, we ought to have more real apprenticeships (not retail apprentices, lol), but I know a few bright kids who didn't go to uni and are doing better than a lot of graduates. Some became self-taught web developers, etc, etc.
Is uni still the be-end and be-all it once was? What about all those marine biology graduates stacking shelves in Tesco?
A very bright poor kid might find a vocation that sets him up better than a degree would.
Of course, we ought to have more real apprenticeships (not retail apprentices, lol), but I know a few bright kids who didn't go to uni and are doing better than a lot of graduates. Some became self-taught web developers, etc, etc.
Is uni still the be-end and be-all it once was? What about all those marine biology graduates stacking shelves in Tesco?
if it puts people off attending any old random course at some low end university just for the sake of it then it might help - we've got a lack of people in some trades/vocations and we've got a surplus of people with degrees that aren't really worth anything who end up in the sort of roles they could have landed had they not even bothered with university in the first place
if you're personally responsible for paying for it then maybe sociology with film studies at random town poly suddenly isn't worth getting into 50k's worth of debt over
probably puts more pressure on some of the lower ranked institutions to offer more value for money
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Ahh but have you heard of white privilege, you need degrees for that sort of pointless conjecture.
Maybe if a lot of employers stopped insisting on 'degree educated' on the job specs for entry level posts people wouldn't feel the need to?
Thank you.
This current Tory government certainly doesn't. Ridiculing the poor is only going to get them voted out in the next GE. They decide to attack the poor rather than deal with the real problem which is state pensions, costs way to much and of course is protected by this Tory government. Can't be anything to do with all the pensioners voting Tory to keep their overly generous pensions.
but the young, especially the poor young, dont vote.
so ****ing them over isn't going to cost them anything at the next election.
Yes. That's the basis of the entire welfare state.
do you not think assessing the financial need of a 18 year old adult by their parents wealth/income is kinda broken?
how far/age should we take that?
ahh you're 30 and unemployed sorry no JSA for you as your parents have too much money, go ask them.
Yep i agree. They need a system that allows all students to be treated equally regardless of family wealth. That system then needs to take into account how people can pay back these loan.
I think that's a very fair statement, certainly if it helps reduce the number of people picking up useless degrees. College's etc should really start pushing people to take up apprenticeship schemes.
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No it isn't. There is no credible alternative. The Conservatives are here to stay.
Wrong again. The cost of pensions in and of themselves isn't excessive. The issue is that people aren't dying quickly enough so the accumulative pension burden appears significant.
erm I'm talking about people who end up in entry level jobs that don't require or specify degrees and the lack of people in some vocations
if your job requires a degree then that is rather a different matter
looking at Tefal's chart there doesn't even appear to be a correlation let alone a causal link
It shouldn't have to - the money is there regardless and you only have to pay it back if you earn over a certain amount. If people are too innumerate to figure out whether attempting a particular course is likely to be worthwhile then perhaps they shouldn't go to university.
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They aren't very credible either, probably the least democratic party of the lot.
Not surprising seeing the state of politics at the moment. Considering all the parties right now are a complete joke.
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