Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (April Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 452 45.0%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 553 55.0%
  • Total voters
    1,005
  • Poll closed .
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Mulder said:
No idea, you can't predict the outcome of negotiations. But I'd rather it be up to the British Government to negotiate on our behalf, and in our best interests, than be dragged into a corporate-eurocrat power grab against our will and against our interests. Despite what lame duck Obama says there would be pressure to get a US/UK deal in place, Britain and the US do a huge amount of trade with each other.
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Have to suspect that our civil service performs substantially better the EU equivalent as well and will be purely focused on UK interests.

I don't see the lack of a trade deal with the US as a big deal, it will happen and we've somehow managed to survive without one since day one.
 
I'm starting to wonder if the MPs in the leave campaign actually want us to leave. I mean as far as campaigns go, they haven't really got one.

Nigel farage is especially quiet which seems strange
 
Naff8000 said:
This campaign is like the U.S vs Algeria in a basketball match. Some random politicians with no clue what leaving will mean, scraping up some questionable statements on savings vs line after line of businesses, public figures and politicians saying it will mean widespread turmoil. Unless something dramatic happens I think whatever the opinion polls say and they weren't much use in the election, come voting time people will vote remain, perhaps overwhelmingly.
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You are seeing what you want to see.
 
I don't think that TTIP is a compelling reason to vote for Leave. Cameron has always been in favour of it and we would very likely sign up to a similar deal if we left the EU.
 
Naff8000 said:
Yes I'm seeing vote leave get trounced.
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Ah, you're one of them.

The polls are close, so it's the undecided that will win it. We've got both sides spewing tales of woe out their backside and a us president to squeeze out some more condescending rhetoric.

With how pathetic both campaigns are literally anything could happen.
 
I think the remain camp taking the lead in the polls/odds ahead of the vote may work in Brexit's favour. Everyone knows leavers are on the whole a lot more motivated to vote, and the further remain leads the fewer votes it may actually get on the day.
 
Mulder said:
So you're saying the UK can't be important to the EU without being influential within the EU? That is pure fantasy, one being true doesn't make the other true.

We're important because of two main reasons:
1) We're one of the richest countries in the EU, and are a significant net contributor to the EU's coffers, unlike most other countries
2) If we do leave many others will want to follow and the whole project may start to fall apart

We are not influential in the EU. You can point to reports about "connections" but as has been discussed in this thread and elsewhere the EU spins on a Franco-German axis. They make all the big decisions, they're the figureheads always doing the negotiations, and as you quote yourself and don't dispute, we're constantly outvoted and our objections ignored.
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869 interviews over 6 years and the question “Which member states do you most often co-operate with in order to develop a common position?” reveal that Britain is considered by the EU officials one of the most influential countries in the EU. This is what the report I've linked to concludes and you dispute it with "as has been discussed in this thread and elsewhere the EU spins on a Franco-German axis"? What's next, 'proving' your point with scorza's posts? :rolleyes:

As for being constantly outvoted, show me concrete examples, say in the past 5 years, in which Britain got shafted. Let's see how this 'lack of influence' translates into actual decisions.


I don't mean to sound rude, but you really have no idea what you're talking about on this point. To make it easier to understand here's a summary that you can fact check with the Ernst and Young UK services report:
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Where's the link?
 
Naff8000 said:
Who is 'them'?
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One of those guys with all the answers.

In his own teapot.

The only answer you need is leave or stay the world will adjust and life will go on. There's pain either way. The EU is a fiscal and social basket case at present with no sign of abating.
 
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Zethor said:
869 interviews over 6 years and the question “Which member states do you most often co-operate with in order to develop a common position?” reveal that Britain is considered by the EU officials one of the most influential countries in the EU. This is what the report I've linked to concludes and you dispute it with "as has been discussed in this thread and elsewhere the EU spins on a Franco-German axis"? What's next, 'proving' your point with scorza's posts? :rolleyes:

As for being constantly outvoted, show me concrete examples, say in the past 5 years, in which Britain got shafted. Let's see how this 'lack of influence' translates into actual decisions.
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"Considered by the EU officials" :D

EU officials say Britain has influence, it must be true! Of course they're going to tell us we've got influence. They're not going to tell us the truth, that we have very little currently and will lose what influence we have as Turkey etc come on board.

This graph shows we're increasingly being outvoted. Here are some more examples:

Britain’s EU influence weakened, says Barroso
The UK's vanishing European influence
The EU is stealing Britain's diplomatic influence - and so we must leave

The EU is removing democracy from Europe.

Zethor said:
Where's the link?
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Here.
 
Mulder said:
"Considered by the EU officials" :D

EU officials say Britain has influence, it must be true! Of course they're going to tell us we've got influence. They're not going to tell us the truth, that we have very little currently and will lose what influence we have as Turkey etc come on board.

This graph shows we're increasingly being outvoted. Here are some more examples:


The EU is removing democracy from Europe.
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From the Guardian article:
the UK voted on the winning side 97.4% of the time in 2004-09 and 86.7% of the time in 2009-15.

I take it you consider winning 86.7% of the votes as being constantly outvoted?

Furthermore, you are going off topic with opinion pieces. I asked for 'concrete examples, say in the past 5 years, in which Britain got shafted'. Show me the EU decisions in this period that were against Britain's interests.


Here.
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How do you conclude that "The fastest rate of growth for British services exports are to China and India, both of whom are growing fast and have a burgeoning middle class. Korea, UAE and Saudi Arabia also make the list, the EU doesn't" from that link?

I suggest you consider the question before answering it. Maybe check the ONS latest numbers as well.
 
Jokester said:
Have to suspect that our civil service performs substantially better the EU equivalent as well and will be purely focused on UK interests.

I don't see the lack of a trade deal with the US as a big deal, it will happen and we've somehow managed to survive without one since day one.
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I agree, and this companies of the US suing our government as we bring in changes which affect their profits seems insane.
In no nation would I want foreign nation companies able to sue us over laws we implement.
No thank you.

Be in or out of Europe, this worries me, and worries me greatly for future generations. Never ever should we allow this.
 
This ref feels like a make or break moment for the EU. If we leave it’ll set in motion the death of the EU, but if we stay we give them a mandate to carry on towards a federal Europe.

I say we kill it and start again with just trade, none of the legal political nonsense
 
How do you square a claim that the UK has no influence in the EU with a claim that us leaving would set in motion the death of the same body?
 
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