Oh haha didn't see that. Least I wasn't the only one.Yep post #8347
I can see what they were trying to do but it did look a bit silly.
Wonder if there'll be some youtube vid with it by the end of the day..
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Wonder if there'll be some youtube vid with it by the end of the day..
In my opinion the whole conclusion to the Arya storyline was pretty weak.
At the back end of last weeks episode we have Arya skipping through the town square extremely overtly, making no attempt to disguise herself when she had to have known that somebody from the temple would have been hunting her.
She then receives multiple stabs to the gut, those are going to be debilitating at best and could easily prove fatal. She manages a plausible escape and heads to the actress whos life she saved. Actress then turns out to be extremely good at sewing people up with a very weak justification.
The Waifinator then turns up and slaughters the actress, making just enough noise for Arya to wake up, instead of playing things cleverly and climbing in through the open window literally above the bed where Arya was sleeping.
A chase ensues, and the 13 year old who was repeatedly stabbed in the stomach shows absolutely no sign of her injuries as she sprints away from the perfectly healthy older girl.
I thought the way Arya lured her into the trap was the best part of the whole thing, perfectly plausible and a sensible reason as to why Arya could win.
She then gos back to the temple, to confront the guy who sent the Waif after her. She tells him she is going back to Westeros, and he just smiles at her. I'm pretty sure if you were leaving a secret death cult its not as easy as that.
Its not that I didn't like it, I just think in comparison to what it could have been it was pretty weak.
At the back end of last weeks episode we have Arya skipping through the town square extremely overtly, making no attempt to disguise herself when she had to have known that somebody from the temple would have been hunting her.
She then receives multiple stabs to the gut, those are going to be debilitating at best and could easily prove fatal. She manages a plausible escape and heads to the actress whos life she saved. Actress then turns out to be extremely good at sewing people up with a very weak justification.
The Waifinator then turns up and slaughters the actress, making just enough noise for Arya to wake up, instead of playing things cleverly and climbing in through the open window literally above the bed where Arya was sleeping.
A chase ensues, and the 13 year old who was repeatedly stabbed in the stomach shows absolutely no sign of her injuries as she sprints away from the perfectly healthy older girl.
I thought the way Arya lured her into the trap was the best part of the whole thing, perfectly plausible and a sensible reason as to why Arya could win.
She then gos back to the temple, to confront the guy who sent the Waif after her. She tells him she is going back to Westeros, and he just smiles at her. I'm pretty sure if you were leaving a secret death cult its not as easy as that.
Its not that I didn't like it, I just think in comparison to what it could have been it was pretty weak.
Only explanation for this is that maybe it was his plan all along.
I do believe it was his plan all along.
He always knew who 'Arry was, the rest didn't even know she was a girl but he knew her full identity. He told he that in saving him and the two other prisoners that she'd denied the red god three lives - hence his debt to her and why he assassinates on her behalf.
He always knew who 'Arry was, the rest didn't even know she was a girl but he knew her full identity. He told he that in saving him and the two other prisoners that she'd denied the red god three lives - hence his debt to her and why he assassinates on her behalf.
You can use that to justify why he will let Arya live, but not to let her leave the service of the faceless men. Considerable time and effort has been spent training her, she knows secrets that I imagine they would not want leaking out, letting her walk makes no sense.
If it was his plan to have Arya kill the Waif (possibly because the Waif was making things too personal and not following instructions such as not letting her suffer) I don't see how it could have played out that way, there were too many variables, Arya could easily have died on the bridge.
If it was his plan to have Arya kill the Waif (possibly because the Waif was making things too personal and not following instructions such as not letting her suffer) I don't see how it could have played out that way, there were too many variables, Arya could easily have died on the bridge.
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I agree with your post but not the bit on yellow as my take was that the Waif did not know Ayra was there. The way I saw it (and from the conversation they had after it) is that the Waif was only there just to kill the Actress to make up for her not dying before (the God is missing a face it was promised blah blah blah) and Arya being there and revealing herself was just an added bonus.
So, predictions for next weeks Battle of the B's
Rickon will be killed by Ramsey in full view of Jon, to show Jon what a mean guy he is. Scratch another Stark. Jon will get his backside kicked in the battle against Ramsey. At the last minute Baelish will arrive with the Knights of the Vale and turn the tide of battle. As his promised reward he will demand Sansa be his wife. Jon wont kill Ramsey, because like most tv and films, the bad guy never seems to get a painful excruciating death. So instead Jon will just hold him prisoner or something annoying like that.
Exactly my feelings. Too many off screen happenings for my liking. I wanted to see the waif get what was coming to her.
Double meh!
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How could you see it when the whole point was they fought in the dark to give Ayra a chance (and justify the blind girl training thing). Not sure using night vision would quite fit a medieval themed show.
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Who is to say that Arya's actions will not serve the many-faced god? She is after all going back to kill those on her list. Or perhaps he will call on her to repay the debt in future.
This is a weird season. It's very good due to so many payoff's and tying up lingering storylines. But I can't help but think it just isn't as well done since going off the books. Just the general structure and pacing has had a major shift.
I do wonder if season 7 will be a bit better structured and they're cramming a lot in to get the final season set up perfectly etc
The biggest problem is it's still one of, if not the best thing on TV and despite the pacing issues I still thoroughly enjoy the conversations between specific characters, Bronn with Pod, Jamie with Brienne etc but there are a lot more 'TV cliches' this season than before.
I do wonder if season 7 will be a bit better structured and they're cramming a lot in to get the final season set up perfectly etc
The biggest problem is it's still one of, if not the best thing on TV and despite the pacing issues I still thoroughly enjoy the conversations between specific characters, Bronn with Pod, Jamie with Brienne etc but there are a lot more 'TV cliches' this season than before.
There we go... I said the fake Arya 'theory' being spouted on here was a load of ********!
Good episode, good to see the Hound on form again (albeit with a slight humanity adjustment), some great lines from him like in Season 3/4.
Bit disappointing to see Danery's turn up so soon... presumably she's going to obliterate that fleet with her dragons - was hoping to see the Iron Born siblings turn up there too (or maybe they will next week).
If anyone found this episode dull/boring then (criticisms of your lack of taste aside) I reckon if you watch this series back to back over a weekend then you'll have a change of view.
Next week is surely going to be awesome for everyone regardless - (the inevitable episode 9 battle could well be two big battles) Jon vs Ramsey and Danerey's vs that fleet in slavers bay... plus a possible arrival of the Iron Born siblings...
Predictions:
I'll wager that Vary's secret mission takes place in the last episode, Sam at the Citadel next week or the week after... I reckon Bran will have a vision next week that will sow the seeds further for a big one in the last episode that will either confirm or obliterate a well known fan theory. Lastly perhaps something will happen re: white walkers leaving us on a cliff hanger and Westeros in peril...
Good episode, good to see the Hound on form again (albeit with a slight humanity adjustment), some great lines from him like in Season 3/4.
Bit disappointing to see Danery's turn up so soon... presumably she's going to obliterate that fleet with her dragons - was hoping to see the Iron Born siblings turn up there too (or maybe they will next week).
If anyone found this episode dull/boring then (criticisms of your lack of taste aside) I reckon if you watch this series back to back over a weekend then you'll have a change of view.
Next week is surely going to be awesome for everyone regardless - (the inevitable episode 9 battle could well be two big battles) Jon vs Ramsey and Danerey's vs that fleet in slavers bay... plus a possible arrival of the Iron Born siblings...
Predictions:
I'll wager that Vary's secret mission takes place in the last episode, Sam at the Citadel next week or the week after... I reckon Bran will have a vision next week that will sow the seeds further for a big one in the last episode that will either confirm or obliterate a well known fan theory. Lastly perhaps something will happen re: white walkers leaving us on a cliff hanger and Westeros in peril...
that is in the past - the Mad King.... Burn them all
quite possibly the result of confusions from the three eyed crow/raven guy trying to communicate to him about the white walkers, telling him to burn them... instead he went mad and ordered the pyromancers to burn Kings Landing... which Jamie, Kingslayer, helped put a stop to.
quite possibly the result of confusions from the three eyed crow/raven guy trying to communicate to him about the white walkers, telling him to burn them... instead he went mad and ordered the pyromancers to burn Kings Landing... which Jamie, Kingslayer, helped put a stop to.
It didn't actually happen in the past though. Jamie killed both the pyromancer and the mad king before that came to be. My personal thought is that is a premonition of Cersei doing something incredibly stupid in the very near future.
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According the preview....
Next week's episode will be entirely in the North. I reckon 9 and 10 will both be epic battle episodes with next week's solely concentrating on B'bowl and the final episode being Danny's turn (although it won't need as much time as it won't be a battle but a mauling by the Dragons/Ironborn)
He's been planning Arya returning to Westeros having been trained since he first met her, in the scenario I outlined
The end of the siege and the Blackfish was rather meh.
Why would anyone open the gate to let in Edmure?! Especially when there is an army encamped around you who have been holding him hostage for years, but just because he says 'open up' you do?!
You've fought to retake the castle and serve the Blackfish but just because Edmure turns up one dark night, it's an instant pffffp
screw you mate, I'm listening to that guy who only days ago was being threatened to be hanged and is in absolutely no way going to have been coerced into instantly betraying us.
Now Pod and Brienne join Gendry in a long row.
It just goes to show how silly it is put credence and hype in those fan-theories, it'll only be disappointment when the situation is resolved in a relatively straightforward way instead of the convoluted mess of a theory.
Why would anyone open the gate to let in Edmure?! Especially when there is an army encamped around you who have been holding him hostage for years, but just because he says 'open up' you do?!
You've fought to retake the castle and serve the Blackfish but just because Edmure turns up one dark night, it's an instant pffffp
screw you mate, I'm listening to that guy who only days ago was being threatened to be hanged and is in absolutely no way going to have been coerced into instantly betraying us.Now Pod and Brienne join Gendry in a long row.
It just goes to show how silly it is put credence and hype in those fan-theories, it'll only be disappointment when the situation is resolved in a relatively straightforward way instead of the convoluted mess of a theory.
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He's been planning Arya returning to Westeros having been trained since he first met her, in the scenario I outlined
Then why not just be upfront about it? Why pretend it's about her becoming "no one" and abandoning her old life when he wanted the exact opposite.
I'm also a bit confused by what her training actually was exactly? Learning to fight in the dark seems to have been the only skill she acquired which was she only needed to kill another member of the same cult. Syrio trained her how to use a sword, the Hound gave her the reality-check and she never did become a faceless person (i.e. learn to morph into disguises) which I'd assumed was the whole point of her going into the House of Black & White in the first place.
Now she's just Ayra again with a pretty lame sword, I'm not sure what she thinks she can do with no other discernible powers. I don't see a different Ayra than the one that jumped on the ship at the end of Season 4.
What would have been a better conclusion would be Arya killing the waif and taking her face, leaving the faceless body in the hall of faces for Jaquan to find. This would have (A) given Ayra a powerful tool (being to morph into another person when she needed to) and (B) given the middle finger to Hagar who'd previously ordered her murder.
I didn't really get the need for Pod and Brienne to have to 'escape' given the Tully forces were seemingly allowed to leave of their own accord and there's no way Jaime would have ordered their deaths even if he planned a massacre once inside.
Pretty much.
The show seems to have skipped any real development, except maybe she's no longer driven by vengeance and her kill list so much?