Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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Kenai said:
It never would have been, most people had picked their side before any campaigns begun and had no intention of changing their mind no matter what they heard.

It was always destined to be based on preconceptions and prejudices that existed already, this event will have precious little effect on the result in reality but if the result is remain, it will be scapegoated by leave as the reason why. It couldn't possibly be that public opinion might have been pro remain anyway.
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That's just an excuse used by the remain side only as far as I've seen. It seems, there was plenty of undecideds and I'm sure there was as many wiling to change there opinion as in any serious debate or maybe more. Who wants to wreck there economy for nothing? Who wants to give democracy away for nothing? Just because some people had some idea of what they wanted isn't bad, if you started a huge campaign to convince me apples are better than bananas but I liked bananas more from the beginning then it would be an uphill battle. I only see this argument from remainers who presume there arguments flawless and should convince many more than they have done.

If it's really close then I will suspect the lies of the remain side, the extra leaflet spending, kicking people out of using the civil service who are still in government, the extra voices added to there campaign from those who are jst wanting to back cameron to promote there political career, the death of an MP just 7 days before the referendum that held it up for a day or two and the constant scare mongering had a play in that. If it's a decent win then I won't say anything but if it's really close then who could call it a fair win?
 
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Insanties_birth said:
but if it's really close then who could call it a fair win?
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Judging by the growing list of ready made excuses, certainly not leave voters.

Insanties_birth said:
That's just an excuse used by the remain side only as far as I've seen.

If it's really close then I will suspect [...] the death of an MP just 7 days before the referendum that held it up for a day or two [...] had a play in that.
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You use it as an excuse in the very same post as you claim only the remain side have used it as an excuse, hilarious.
 
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Kenai said:
Judging by the growing list of ready made excuses, certainly not leave voters.
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These excuses have been lined up since the very inception of these threads, months ago.

The death of an MP is just another added to the list.

If remain succeeds, the people that will be blamed:

- Young people
- Poor people
- Scots
- People registering at the last second who apparently don't know what they are voting for
- Businesses with apparent vested interests
- The current government
- Economists including the governor of the Bank of England
- "Biased" media
- Fixed postal votes

I'm sure there are others I have missed.
 
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Art said:
I think regardless of which way it goes, if there isn't a clear majority then the losing side will moan. It's just the way of things.
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Yeah but to be fair they both lied a little so if leave wins then they've done no worse than remain anyway but if remain wins then it does look fishy based on recent polls that they would suddenly win just due to the way they've ran the campaign crooked and the death of an MP.

muon said:
These excuses have been lined up since the very inception of these threads, months ago.

The death of an MP is just another added to the list.
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It's easy to spin anything really, we can call it excuses but there are valid reasons the campaign hasn't been ran properly. In the end I even said I'll accept it if there's a decent win but a close one would put them as suspect.

Your answer back as well is that the excuse for the remain side is ... blame other people? Was this meant to be a dictatorship vote?

The problem with your argument as well is if you take anything you've got an excuse for there you can apply it to either side so there isn't any great net benefit. What we should be looking at is what is different between the parties campaigns. If leave lie and remain lie then it roughly evens out, if remain get an extra leaflet out of public funding compared to leave then that doesn't even out. If leave has businesses with vested interests then do you even acknowledge the same is true for remain? Don't be biased, where there is 1 for 1 you don't cry, it's where there has been differences that highlights the issue of how the campaigns were ran.
 
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I say thus. If we vote remain, we become just a province to the Federal EU state. Because we abolished our right to veto it in February.

If the history of this country as an independent entity ends here, so be it but everyone should take responsibility of their vote.
 
[FnG]magnolia;29646883 said:
I'm a bit late to the party but this is a very good post. It'll be ignored by those who don't like it and respected by those who do because Internet Behaviour but that was a good post v0n.
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If you agree with it then you'd view it as a good post. Otherwise you might consider it to be patronising nonsense.
 
Insanties_birth said:
Yeah but to be fair they both lied a little
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Let's be honest, they've both lied (or at least been "economical with the truth") a lot.

Whether or not a win for Remain will be seen as dodgy campaigning is going to heavily depend on your point of view. There are obviously a lot of people who think that Jo Cox's death is very relevant to the issue.

Surprised to see that the Mail on Sunday is backing Remain, I figured they'd be all for leaving.
 
If we stay in then we should go full integration, Euro, EU army, the lot. People say we need to stay in to change the EU, the only way of doing that is to be fully in IMO.
RMS Titanic here we come ;)
 
The Mad Rapper said:
That's the worst idea I have read in the thread so far. Quite an achievement.
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I'm a confirmed leave voter. If remain win, which is now looking extremely likely to me off the back of Jo Coxs murder, we will be staying in, so might as well stop messing around on the edge of Europe and throw ourselves into the fire. :D
 
Uther said:
I'm a confirmed leave voter. If remain win, which is now looking extremely likely to me off the back of Jo Coxs murder, we will be staying in, so might as well stop messing around on the edge of Europe and throw ourselves into the fire. :D
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I am going to feel incredibly disappointed if the death of one person has that level of influence TBH.
 
Uther said:
I'm a confirmed leave voter. If remain win, which is now looking extremely likely to me off the back of Jo Coxs murder, we will be staying in, so might as well stop messing around on the edge of Europe and throw ourselves into the fire. :D
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It also goes to show how many sheep there are, who will vote on feelings alone after what happended to Jo. #voteleave
 
Art said:
Let's be honest, they've both lied (or at least been "economical with the truth") a lot.

Whether or not a win for Remain will be seen as dodgy campaigning is going to heavily depend on your point of view. There are obviously a lot of people who think that Jo Cox's death is very relevant to the issue.

Surprised to see that the Mail on Sunday is backing Remain, I figured they'd be all for leaving.
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I agree, I was just being diplomatic and not slandering each campaign, as pointed out though I believe they have lied roughly equally anyway so there's nothing gained on a large scale.

They've both been ran dodgy but the point is just the extra stuff on top for the remain side has put it to a point where if there was a very narrow window in favour of remain it would look dodgy. If it was narrow in favour of leave then they'd have been the ones who lead the less dodgy campaign so we can't complain quite as much but of course we know it'll get a mud slinging regardless. I don't see how a mentally ill persons one-off murder is somehow relevant to the campaign. Should we start wheeling out mentally ill lefties as a way to highlight the issues of the remain camp :confused:
 
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