Brexit thread - what happens next

SPG · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:46

There is only one man for the job.

Ian Duncan Smith.

This way he does the deed of the WILL of the british people, gets blamed for everything then never to be seen in politics ever again. It really is a

WIN WIN

platypus · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:47

SPG said:
There is only one man for the job.

Ian Duncan Smith.

This way he does the deed of the WILL of the british people, gets blamed for everything then never to be seen in politics ever again. It really is a

WIN WIN

There's loads of people who it would be great to see the back of in UK politics. Replace the majority of them tbh

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The Mad Rapper · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:47

SPG said:
Again as everyone who voted leave is a racist, bigot uneducated fool.

Not sure if serious...

Sankari · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:47

Bear said:
Would you prefer we do it the Australian way, holding refugees in such awful conditions it has been deemed an atrocity?
https://www.theguardian.com/austral...id-on-atrocity-of-australias-detention-regime

I'd prefer it if you simply stopped attacking immigrants and telling them to leave. Is that too much to ask?

In any case, you're not comparing like with like (the treatment of asylum seekers has nothing to do with race, unlike the attacks on immigrants in the UK) and I am strongly opposed to the horrific treatment of asylum seekers in Australia, as are many Australians.

Tunney · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:50

SPG said:
There is only one man for the job.

Ian Duncan Smith.

This way he does the deed of the WILL of the british people, gets blamed for everything then never to be seen in politics ever again. It really is a

WIN WIN

Boris has to throw his hat into the ring and will probably win. That would be a glorious end to his career. Hoisted by his own petard.

The Mad Rapper · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:50

Qel said:
Well whoever takes over immediately from the Tories or in the aftermath of a subsequent GE it's pretty much the ultimate political poison chalice, their career will be toast. It's just a matter of how they play it as to whether we go the article 50 route or not.

I don't see it that way. If, for example, the next PM is Boris and he does what the majority of the country voted for then he is simply respecting the wishes of the electorate. I see no reason at all why it would be a poisoned chalice. Hard work, yes. Career ending, no.

dowie · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:50

Buckster said:
democracy will rule in the end

and a compromise will be made

article 50 won't be enacted

Buckster said:
I think thats quite likely

Conservative party seem to be very reluctant to have BJ as their leader, so if they choose a Pro-EU leader as well - how will that work ?

that is a bit deluded... we've just had a referendum on the EU, 'leave' won... article 50 will be enacted

the Conservative party is mostly pro leave and would be very happy with Boris Johnson, it is Conservative MPs who aren't and are trying to come up with a credible opponent. BoJo pretty much has to be one of the potentials they put forth to the membership and a Pro EU leader isn't going to work when 75% of the membership are 'leave' voters

The Mad Rapper · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:52

Just reading through the posts made since I went to bed and many of you seem to be deliberately ignoring the rules for this thread Gilly set out. I suggest you go back and read his post.

Naff8000 · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:53

icehot said:
Going to be a lot of this!

If it were another country yes but this time it's us who flushed ourselves down the toilet.

Sankari · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:54

Vern1961 said:
Without wading back through the old thread and 15 pages so far of this thread, what's the view on the Scottish position, where the Sturge has threatened to negotiate direct with Europe? Presumably she has no legal or constitutional mandate to do that.

Sturgeon is already talking directly with Brussels, which she said she would do if Britain voted Leave. As far as I can tell she has every right to do this.

NICOLA Sturgeon is to hold urgent talks with power-brokers from across the European Union in the coming days as part of a growing fight to keep Scotland in the EU.

The First Minister is due in Brussels the week after next to meet senior members of the European Commission and European Parliament to discuss options for continued EU membership.

Sturgeon said yesterday work was now under way on creating the legislation needed for a second independence referendum. Her comments came as more than two million people signed a petition in just 24-hours calling for a second EU referendum following the leave result. With the number of signatories still growing, it has already had more backing than any other on the parliamentary website ever.

Just 100,000 names were needed for Westminster to consider it for debate. It is likely to now be reviewed by the Petitions Committee on Tuesday.

The Scottish government is working on a meeting with Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, who Sturgeon met in June last year when she delivered a prophetic warning that Scotland would not accept being dragged out the EU against its will.

Sturgeon is also expected to meet former Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt, President of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe, which includes 70 of the 751 MEPs.

On Friday, Verhofstadt tweeted: “It's wrong that Scotland might be taken out of EU, when it voted to stay. Happy to discuss w. @NicolaSturgeon next time she's in [Brussels].”

(Source).

She's also signalled her intention to call for another referendum on Scottish independence, which sounds perfectly reasonable to me. England could be kicked out of the occupied Scottish territories sooner than we think.

The Mad Rapper · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:55

dowie said:
you seem rather deluded... we've just had a referendum on the EU, 'leave' won... article 50 will be enacted

the Conservative party is mostly pro leave and would be very happy with Boris Johnson, it is Conservative MPs who aren't and are trying to come up with a credible opponent. BoJo pretty much has to be one of the potentials they put forth to the membership and a Pro EU leader isn't going to work when 75% of the membership are 'leave' voters

Absolutely my view.

RaohNS · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:56

Nice to see so much butthurt apparent on these forums. Get over it!

Don't believe the misinformation spin from the media. People like David Lammy need a vote of no confidence and removing asap. It is appalling. I've emailed my MP on Friday to get her cast iron guarantee she will not go against the electorate.

Because of Brexit I couldn't get the deal offered at VW yesterday for a new car.... Instead I had to settle for an even cheaper and better deal from VW.

We have already received communication from other nations wanting to start talks.

It is a great pity that remain and leave cannot look to the future now and get the nation going again.

The Mad Rapper · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:56

Evangelion said:
Sturgeon is already talking directly with Brussels, which she said she would do if Britain voted Leave. As far as I can tell she has every right to do this.

She can talk to who she likes, but it isn't going to change the fact that under the Scottish Act she can't do anything without the approval of Westminster. She can't hold a second Referendum without our approval.

PapaLazaru · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:56

The Mad Rapper said:
I don't see it that way. If, for example, the next PM is Boris and he does what the majority of the country voted for then he is simply respecting the wishes of the electorate. I see no reason at all why it would be a poisoned chalice. Hard work, yes. Career ending, no.

And therein lies the problem. What exactly did a lot of leavers actually vote for? I'm not talking about leaving the EU, the actual reasons why they voted to leave the EU? He simply cannot deliver those promises and we already all know it.

icehot · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:57

Naff8000 said:
If it were another country yes but this time it's us who flushed ourselves down the toilet.

I personally don't feel that pessimistic about it, hopefully I wont regret that statement in 10 years if the country is in manic depression.

Glad I got a US passport....o damn, Trump..

Naff8000 · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:59

RaohNS said:
Nice to see so much butthurt apparent on these forums. Get over it!

Don't believe the misinformation spin from the media. People like David Lammy need a vote of no confidence and removing asap. It is appalling. I've emailed my MP on Friday to get her cast iron guarantee she will not go against the electorate.

Because of Brexit I couldn't get the deal offered at VW yesterday for a new car.... Instead I had to settle for an even cheaper and better deal from VW.

We have already received communication from other nations wanting to start talks.

It is a great pity that remain and leave cannot look to the future now and get the nation going again.

So because you got a good deal on your VW therefore the economy is fine and we shouldn't believe virtually every news organisation saying otherwise?

phil675 · 26 Jun 2016 at 08:59

Does she think the EU will prop them up better than we are?

Bobmunkhouse · 26 Jun 2016 at 09:01

The Mad Rapper said:
I don't see it that way. If, for example, the next PM is Boris and he does what the majority of the country voted for then he is simply respecting the wishes of the electorate. I see no reason at all why it would be a poisoned chalice. Hard work, yes. Career ending, no.

I think what people are saying is that it will be such a balls up that the next pm can't win.....if we do the article 50 way then we are negotiating from a poor position where if we don't complete in 2 years we just get what we are given.....there is no win from this....maybe in 8-10 years people will have forgot the self harm and we can move on with lives but won't be fun for any pm....

The Mad Rapper · 26 Jun 2016 at 09:01

PapaLazaru said:
And therein lies the problem. What exactly did a lot of leavers actually vote for? I'm not talking about leaving the EU, the actual reasons why they voted to leave the EU? He simply cannot deliver those promises and we already all know it.

I have already said that I didn't for Leave for either immigration or the NHS claims. Unless there are some underhand politics, my reasons will now be delivered and I am very happy about it.

The other issue the Remain camp need to absorb, is that you were never voting to retain the status quo and a lot of Remain voters I have spoken with thought that to be the case. Had Remain won the UK would have been washed along on a wave of ever closer integration. Some of you may well have wanted that, the majority, I suspect, do not.

Raymond Lin · 26 Jun 2016 at 09:03

RaohNS said:
Nice to see so much butthurt apparent on these forums. Get over it!

Don't believe the misinformation spin from the media. People like David Lammy need a vote of no confidence and removing asap. It is appalling. I've emailed my MP on Friday to get her cast iron guarantee she will not go against the electorate.

Because of Brexit I couldn't get the deal offered at VW yesterday for a new car.... Instead I had to settle for an even cheaper and better deal from VW.

We have already received communication from other nations wanting to start talks.

It is a great pity that remain and leave cannot look to the future now and get the nation going again.

Look to the future requires getting over the present, and the present is an absolute crap pit...which the leave campaign brought on and none of you seem to be doing anything apart from saying "it's great!"

We have 2 major political party in turmoil, the pounds has fallen through the floor, the stock market is stopped, it looks like the banks are making contingencies moving so they mean job losses, the racists leaflets are already started as illustrated earlier.

Sort that out first before dreaming about a brighter future.

The only butt hurt is what is out there right now, I'm not even talking about the vote anymore.