The next Labour leader thread

Corbyn is dependent on the PLP to get back on the ballot paper if a leadership election is forced.

He would need 46 mps willing to support him. I'm not sure he has the numbers, he won't get charity nominations that he relied on last time (when the burden was slightly lower)

This what I'm hoping for. The country really needs a credible opposition right now. Labour MPs must realise this never going to happen under Corbyn. If he's reelected, some of the PMs must consider jumping ship or forming a new party.

I'd really like to the the moderated parts of the Labour party and Conservative party give serious consideration to forming a new party with the remainder of the Lib Dems.
 
Where does it say Corbyn will need nominations?

Added to that is the unhelpfully vague wording of Labour’s constitution. It is clear that Corbyn’s challengers would need to collect 50 signatures from Labour MPs and MEPs to trigger a leadership challenge, a hurdle that the plotters are confident of hopping. It is less clear whether Corbyn himself would have to do so.

But what appears to have happened is that Iain McNicol, the party’s general secretary, has received legal advice that he should not put Corbyn on the ballot paper unless the parliamentary Labour party does so – advice that he is willing to put his job on the line to follow.

There.
 
That says Corbyn's challengers need nominations.

As the incumbent, he doesn't need any nominations, only if he resigned.

Where that story has come from is questionable to say the least as it is in black and white in the Labour rule book he will be on by default.
 
No he isn't, that is why this is a monumental balls up by the PLP.

Has this even happened before to a Labour leader? From what I've read the rules surrounding leadership contests for Labour are a bit vague so I'm wondering if there is previous precedent?
 
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That says Corbyn's challengers need nominations.

As the incumbent, he doesn't need any nominations, only if he resigned.

Where that story has come from is questionable to say the least as it is in black and white in the Labour rule book he will be on by default.

2nd paragraph.


But what appears to have happened is that Iain McNicol, the party’s general secretary, has received legal advice that he should not put Corbyn on the ballot paper unless the parliamentary Labour party does so


If the PLP does not nominate him, he does not go on the ballot

The rulebook is not clear at all, in fact there are two conflicting legal opinions supplied to the party about it.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...dership-challenge_uk_577003cfe4b0d2571149d42a

Further to this, precedent (from 1987) suggests nominations are necessary, as this was the process used when Neil Kinnock was challenged by Tony Benn.
 
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Which is from where?

Our political system seems to be broken. Both main parties are imploding. We have a leadership coup in the Labour Party, left-wingers plotting a hostile takeover of the Conservative Party to influence the vote on who gets to be prime minister. What's next?

The Queen taking charge in a time of grave constitutional crisis is starting to look like an attractive option :rolleyes:
 
Facing, but noones got the guts to pull the trigger because the party as a whole wont support any of the Red Tory ***** are are lining up to face him or are causing the stir internally in the first place!!!
 
Dolph, not only are you mistaken on this - even Hilary Benn has said that Corbyn would have to be on the ballot, but the Corbyn team is confident that they could reach the 46 nominations (rules were changed to include MEPs... for all it matters now) needed anyway. Any attempt to run a leadership campaign without Corbyn on the ballot would be a subversion of democracy and would see the membership tear down the party.

What these 11 MPs have done is said to the membership, I don't like your decision so I'm going to throw a hissy fit and you should put my interests before your own. Don't be surprised when the membership don't take kindly to that.
 
He really is clinging on. You can see why, but at this stage it's going to be own goals all around.

The obvious problem with this Mexican standoff as well, is an embattled and inward looking leader with some good intentions but precious little talent left to field in his shadow team, and that's after the last election took some out anyway; people fleeing for mayoralties, very sour grapes unwilling to serve and no easy way of reshuffling the deck. What sort of campaign Labour then can fight from here on is beyond me. Especially since recent leaks are shedding light on what appears to be either Corbyn (unlikely, tbh) or his comms man's strategic use of the Remain campaign to orchestrate a sort of Johnsonian twist, being further rather damaging to morale if true at least in part.

Indeed, if it were advantageous to initiate some cloak and dagger manoeuvres within the PLP and then take a few seats at a potential election, under a proxy of Brexit, why not go for it directly instead and save everyone some drama? Hard to say at this stage what's Corbyn, what's media spin and what's rebels muddying the waters. Can't really get any more sense out of my Labour friends either, and they are meant to be the inside men, lol. Oh dear.

As someone said, if there were a younger Jezza MK2, more politically suave, preferably from outside London and flexible in his handling of the PLP, now would be the time to field him. But all I can think of are some ancients and that Owen Jones fella, who isn't even an MP but a mere hack. Sigh, turbulent and strange political times indeed.
 
Well, speaking purely hypothetically, Lisa Nandy is often touted as a potential left/soft left candidate. She could potentially be quite a uniting force, in the right circumstances. As long as she doesn't take part in any of this coup nonsense. Cat Smith is another hopeful, but I'm not sure anyone elected in 2015 could really make a big, when they're still just adjusting to the life and responsibilities of being an MP.
 
From what I've read and seen over the past 24 hours it looks like there should not only be a new leader but also a new party... ;)
 
3 more have just gone!


Diana Johnson has resigned as a shadow foreign minister, Anna Turley as shadow minister for civil and Toby Perkins has resigned as shadow armed forces minister.
 
From what I've read and seen over the past 24 hours it looks like there should not only be a new leader but also a new party... ;)

This wouldn't be happening if Corbyn had gone Friday morning.

If they find a new leader there'll be no problem with the party numbers.
 
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