Brexit thread - what happens next

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deuse said:
The only thing the stay are moaning about is the free access to the EU state.

Is this because

1-they are to lazy to fill in a visa\work permit visa
2-have a criminal record which the visa system would stop them.

For the life of me I can't think of any other reason. But please fill me in.
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I've worked in various countries, both EU and non-EU.

The Republic of Korea was interesting because you couldn't renew your work visa from within the country. You had to leave, wait for the renewal and then come back in. Good fun when the only land border isn't one you're allowed to cross!

The US was the worst though. The work visa process was incredibly laborious. It took so long that my involvement with the project nearly got cancelled. Three days before I was supposed to fly out for at least six months, I still didn't know whether it would be going ahead! It was stressful to say the least.

I don't expect the process with the EU to be so arduous but it's still going to be painful for some people. For example, would someone be able to take their partner with them if they're not married (or the destination country doesn't recognise their marriage)?
 
[TW]Fox;29714513 said:
It's annoying that people keep ignoring this.

They are acting like all of Scotland voted to stay - only 25% of the population voted to stay, and 38% of those who voted voted to leave.

We didn't vote as individual countries we voted as the UK. Yes there are many in Scotland who are peeved but almost half the UK is peeved along with them!
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This is true, but I hope they remember NI and their peace deal in all this.
 
Tunney said:
I've worked in various countries, both EU and non-EU.

The Republic of Korea was interesting because you couldn't renew your work visa from within the country. You had to leave, wait for the renewal and then come back in. Good fun when the only land border isn't one you're allowed to cross!

The US was the worst though. The work visa process was incredibly laborious. It took so long that my involvement with the project nearly got cancelled. Three days before I was supposed to fly out for at least six months, I still didn't know whether it would be going ahead.

I don't expect the process with the EU to be so arduous but it's still going to be painful for some people. For example, would someone be able to take their partner with them if they're not married (or the destination country doesn't recognise their marriage)?
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I've applied for about 4 different types of visas over the years in the UK...it's expensive, complicated and can take a very long time if you're unlucky. I'm guessing i've spent upwards of 5k GBP in visas alone for UK. I missed my graduation because of how long it took to get a visa and have at other times been unable to leave the country for 1-4 months at a time. I've heard of other people who've been unable to leave for over a year.

Whoever said that it is just 'filling in a form' has no idea what they are talking about.
 
[TW]Fox;29714513 said:
It's annoying that people keep ignoring this.

They are acting like all of Scotland voted to stay - only 25% of the population voted to stay, and 38% of those who voted voted to leave.

We didn't vote as individual countries we voted as the UK. Yes there are many in Scotland who are peeved but almost half the UK is peeved along with them!
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it is also not clear that they'd be more happy to leave the UK in favour of the EU... especially if something like joining the EFTA is on the cards for the UK and Spain/France are still sticking two fingers up at Scotland's EU membership rpospects
 
Sudden said:
I've applied for about 4 different types of visas over the years in the UK...it's expensive, complicated and can take a very long time if you're unlucky. I'm guessing i've spent upwards of 5k GBP in visas alone for UK. I missed my graduation because of how long it took to get a visa and have at other times been unable to leave the country for 1-4 months at a time. I've heard of other people who've been unable to leave for over a year.

Whoever said that it is just 'filling in a form' has no idea what they are talking about.
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would be a bit silly to expect India/UK to be similar to UK/EU... especially when the EU are very pro-freedom of movement. Visa requirements are likely to be fairly relaxed if visas are required.
 
[TW]Fox;29714513 said:
It's annoying that people keep ignoring this.

They are acting like all of Scotland voted to stay - only 25% of the population voted to stay, and 38% of those who voted voted to leave.

We didn't vote as individual countries we voted as the UK. Yes there are many in Scotland who are peeved but almost half the UK is peeved along with them!
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I don't disagree with your point, but didn't you just contradict yourself? :D
 
Sudden said:
I've applied for about 4 different types of visas over the years in the UK...it's expensive, complicated and can take a very long time if you're unlucky. I'm guessing i've spent upwards of 5k GBP in visas alone for UK. I missed my graduation because of how long it took to get a visa and have at other times been unable to leave the country for 1-4 months at a time. I've heard of other people who've been unable to leave for over a year.

Whoever said that it is just 'filling in a form' has no idea what they are talking about.
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I was lucky. There's was always a legal department to do most of the legwork (apart from the bit where I had to fly to Japan to renew my Rep of Korea work visa) and my company picked up the fees.
 
do_ron_ron said:
Most political commentators I have heard. Once the elections are over by September and the new leader is in place the EU will be pressing hard for movement. And the EU to implode before then is about as likely as winning the lottery for the next hundred years.
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Yes i agree if that is the way it pans out, but there is probably about 20 outcomes knowing these idiots we have in charge.

I think we will know more by Friday which by then we should know which other politicians are running for the Tory leadership\PM and who supports them and what their plans are.

Then more arguing everywhere :)
 
Tunney said:
I was lucky. There's was always a legal department to do most of the legwork (apart from the bit where I had to fly to Japan to renew my Rep of Korea work visa) and my company picked up the fees.
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I don't think I could complain with that arrangement. A nice quick flight and a good day out for the effort!
 
Phonesis said:
I've been watching a few US news channels and it's interesting to note that many US economists, ex diplomats, politicians etc are confident the UK will do well in the long run outside the EU. Odd how they are seemingly more positive than UK pundits.

Feels like US has more faith in UK than the UK has in its own ability to thrive as a Nation state at the moment.

I wonder if the Commonwealth will play into this too. When the UK originally joined the EU, the French moaned about it because they felt our place was with the Commonwealth. But there is no trade agreement amongst Commonwealth Nations, which is a real shame. Would be fantastic. Now that really would be a good plan of action for the next PM. To try to push for one. But could be a pipedream.
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The UK press loves a good old scare story. The more sensationalist the more will read it.

Paddy Ashdown jumped on twitter and said UK borrowing costs had gone up already, when they've actually just hit record lows.....

Cable (GBP/USD) is back to 1.35, the equity markets are also recovering, FTSE250 is above where it was earlier in the year and the FTSE100 is now above where it was last Thursday when "remain" were odds on favourites.
Yes there could be more lows to come, but this (so far) has been pretty mild in terms of the market's immediate reaction. Europe however is not fairing as well....

One guy I was speaking to mentioned that for the Eurozone this "is the shock that could stop the can getting kicked continually down the road". The Euro is destined to fail in the long run anyway, so they sooner they address the underlying structural failings of the project the better. There's never been a currency without a single Government, so you can see where that's going.
 
dowie said:
would be a bit silly to expect India/UK to be similar to UK/EU... especially when the EU are very pro-freedom of movement. Visa requirements are likely to be fairly relaxed if visas are required.
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More relaxed than India/UK? Yes. But I still doubt it would just be rubber stamps...you would think US/UK would be more relaxed as well but looking at Tunney's example, not the case.

If the UK leaves the EU (and doesn't join EEA etc. and thereby agreeing to free movement of people), I don't expect it to be as easy as you think it might be (not for long term visas at least). There will be hoops to go through and some of them will take ages through sheer bureaucracy. There won't be separate processing for the UK and separate processing for everyone else.
 
Arthur Hucksake said:
What an exciting prospect!!

More Aussies and New Zealanders over here, amazing.
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They'll steal your jobs and somehow also take all your social welfare money. They're also much better looking than you and will sleep with all your women. They'll also end up as your boss and hire a load of other Aussies and promote them before you. And bugger up the resurgent steel industry. The kids will all have Australian accents before you know it.

$22 billion in tourism revenue into the UK every year. I can't wait to see how much that drops now.
 
Tunney said:
I was lucky. There's was always a legal department to do most of the legwork (apart from the bit where I had to fly to Japan to renew my Rep of Korea work visa) and my company picked up the fees.
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Hah. Just went today to the Japanese embassy to apply for a visa. Cheapest visa fee i've ever seen for Indian nationals - £4!
 
Sudden said:
More relaxed than India/UK? Yes. But I still doubt it would just be rubber stamps...you would think US/UK would be more relaxed as well but looking at Tunney's example, not the case.

If the UK leaves the EU (and doesn't join EEA etc. and thereby agreeing to free movement of people), I don't expect it to be as easy as you think it might be (not for long term visas at least). There will be hoops to go through and some of them will take ages through sheer bureaucracy. There won't be separate processing for the UK and separate processing for everyone else.
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I wouldn't think the US would be relaxed! The bottom line is the EU is pro freedom of movement and the UK isn't exactly going to be pushing to go too far in the opposite direction.. points system at the extreme end though to simply pre-Maastricht treaty arrangements (merely requiring a job offer) or generous quotas being a compromise... either way hardly having to jump through hoops

There won't be separate processing for the UK and separate processing for everyone else.
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nah only if no deal at all is reached.. given neither side wants that for immigration then UK/EU immigration is very likely to be rather different to rest of world/UK and rest of world/EU - even without freedom of movement it is very likely to be a compromise of sorts which is different to non EU/UK countries
 
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